Tod und unsterblichkeit

[Lupara]

Hello

has anyone ever heard of this book (see thread title) I saw it for sale for 95EUR the seller says it is connected with the deutsches Ahnenerbe. The cover flap has a irminsul symbol on it and the book cover itself has a black sun on it. Is it a known period book and is it worth the cash?

The title translates to death and immortality.

BTW what are some other ahnenerbe related books and magazines I know of the germanien heft but I can't find any of those anywhere.

Sorry if this is the wrong forum.

[Thorsten B.]

Yes - it is a well-known book.

In general the price isn´t too high, depending on condition, of course.

SS-interested collectors should really study books like this (and other ones) to be able to understand not only the spirit of that time but onby as well as setting themselves into the ability to separate good from bad stuff, especially concerning art and cult objects of the SS!

Only by reading and understanding that spirit one can for example solve the question if or why an art object can be related to the SS or not - you need to learn it´s language so to speak.

[Etienne B.]

I agree with Thorsten.Although the price maybe a little too high it depends on the state of the book.An original dustcover adds value for sure.If you are only interested in the text,I suggest you find a reprint.

In dutch language I think it is better that you search for copies of ''uitgevery hamer'' or ''Storm'',they published some really interesting books.

There has been published a simular book to the one you mentioned;it's called ''Onsterfelijkheid'' by K.Schrötter.

If you have other questions,drop me a pm.

Etienne

[Michael Fay]

death and immortality

Yes,
this is absolutely an Ahnenerbe publication as you can see who published it in the frontispiece page I posted for you.
this is a very nice book. Much to read (and read between the lines) as to world view and more as to a certain part of SS thought.
Here is a hint...check up on the authors...One is Dr. Wust who was a respected Sanskrit scholar...and put in charge of the Ahnenerbe by Himmler to give it more credibility with academia.

As for price....well prices vary and there is no standard prices...in general...they are slowly going up. but there is always a chance to find others cheaper...but maybe not.
And of course, the more we talk about it, the more they get popular with ever more collectors.

[Etienne B.]

And in Dutch

[Etienne B.]

and one of the inside.Maybe slightly off-topic.but is this book translated in other languages ?

[Michael Fay]

And in Dutch

Nice cover.
I have never seen this Dutch edition.

If this was published in any other languages,I dont know.

If it was,I would imagine only those nations which were considered part of the Pan-Germanic ethnic group would have been candidates for this book.

[Lupara]

Sorry for replying so late been a ****ty few days had have my pet cat put to sleep since he was vomiting blood and going into shock poor thing.

Anyway

Thanks for the info on the book guess I'll wait for a bit and see if I can get a better price somewhere. The whole ahnenerbe thing fascinates me to no end,are there any good modern day books that deal with this subject?

[Michael Fay]

Sorry for replying so late been a ****ty few days had have my pet cat put to sleep since he was vomiting blood and going into shock poor thing.

Anyway

Thanks for the info on the book guess I'll wait for a bit and see if I can get a better price somewhere. The whole ahnenerbe thing fascinates me to no end,are there any good modern day books that deal with this subject?

Heather Pringle's "The Master Plan" is the Premier book to get...I know it was translated in a variety of European languages within the last 3 years and was reprinted a few times in paperback so there are many for cheap on the market.
Other than that some of Mr.Robin Lumsden's books will usually have a nice synopsis on this subject.

[Capt. R]

Thanks for the info on the book guess I'll wait for a bit and see if I can get a better price somewhere. The whole ahnenerbe thing fascinates me to no end,are there any good modern day books that deal with this subject?

Sorry about your cat. This is a good thread on SS Books including 2 excellent ones covering the ahnenerbe: Master Plan and Himmler's Crusade. Himmler's Camelot is also a favorite on the subject. Have you read it? http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...eather+pringle

There are a number of inexpensive English translations of SS publications for sale and some free versions on-line if you do a google search.

http://www.third-reich-books.com/schutzstaffel.htm

The German primary sources are the best to study, so be careful when reading the English versions, but they are a good place to start.

The Germanien series is available and often at inexpensive cost if you know where to look

Here are some of mine:

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...light=leitheft

I hope this has been of help to you...I share your obsession and interest in these matters.

[Etienne B.]

Hi Lupare,

In dutch there isn't a lot written about the Ahnenerbe.But I suggest these titles:

''Zwaard van de geest-Gerard Groeneveld''
''De oorsprong van het eigene-Martijn eickhoff''
''De SS van N.K.C.A. in 't veld''

And search for books published during the war by the publishers '' Hamer,Storm,Volk en Bodem etc.


Good luck and let us know

Etienne

[Michael Fay]

Hi Lupare,

In dutch there isn't a lot written about the Ahnenerbe.But I suggest these titles:

''Zwaard van de geest-Gerard Groeneveld''
''De oorsprong van het eigene-Martijn eickhoff''
''De SS van N.K.C.A. in 't veld''

And search for books published during the war by the publishers '' Hamer,Storm,Volk en Bodem etc.


Good luck and let us know

Etienne

Etienne,
It is nice to see ''Zwaard van de geest-Gerard Groeneveld'' mentioned!

I know for a fact that Dr.Groeneveld did research in primary documents of SS Vormingsbladen and SS Leitheften. If I remember correctly,He was investigating the Nazi/SS use of historical ideas of the Netherlands for instilling a pan-Germanic racial nationalist pride.
a long time ago I was in contact with him.
He hoped that his "Zwaard van de geest" would get translated into English, but I never found it.

sadly years ago, I lost contact with him,
he was a gentleman.
-Michael

[Lupara]

Great stuff Capt. R so the SS leitheften mentioned on here are the Germanien magzines or related to them? I know where to get thos for about 50 EUR a piece they don't turn up on the estand all that often unfortunately.

I'll look into the titles mentioned here lucky for me I can read in English Dutch and German so that's a plus.

Thanks everyone

cheers

Bas

[Michael Fay]

Leitheften and Germaniens are distinct publications

Great stuff Capt. R so the SS leitheften mentioned on here are the Germanien magzines or related to them?
Thanks everyone

cheers

Bas

Bas,
if I understand your question
SS Leitheften are not the same as Germanien's. They are 2 separate publications, both under the control of the SS.
SS Leitheften were up front SS ideological tracts
Germanien's (after the SS took it over) were trying to look scholarly and historical, in general downplaying the obvious SS images and even hardly ever mentioning SS other than in the credits as to being (SS)Ahnenerbe Verlag/Stiftung.

As such "Germaniens" are less exciting if you look for big SS symbols all over it, and photos of SS Manner and Himmler. And also then less people care about collecting them. But I think they were published in smaller numbers than the SS Leitheften, simply because I always see more of the Leitheften around than "Germaniens."

[Etienne B.]

Hi Bas,

You might want to find some copies of the ''hamer'',''Volksche Wacht'' or even the pre-war ''Wolfsangel'' Magazines.They have the same kind of articles as Germanien.They are not that expensive and you can find them quite easily.

@ Michael: I had some contact with him too.He openend this subject to interested readers over here in the Netherlands

regards,

Etienne