Allgemeine-SS EM/NCOs Visor Cap With ID

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Cap

No doubt as to the cap being original. But what's up with the chinstrap? This appears to be a VERY large cap, so the chinstrap was modified to fit this large size. Though I find it hard to believe that the manufacturer actually made it this way, maybe someone can weigh in if they've seen this before. They would have just made a larger strap, not this concoction. Also, the corners of the 2rectangular black metal sizers on the chinstrap are much more rounded than usual. Manufacturer's variation? Unless this chinstrap modification is determined to be original, the price of the cap should reflect this. The chinstrap seems a little more shiny than usual, also. I HAVE seen SS visor caps with non-standard chinstraps in period photos, but I think this may be a post-war modification. The only other explanation that seems feasable, is that the guy's chinstrap broke, and he had to "make-do". Regardless, a wonderful, named cap.

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Cap

What's up with the chinstrap? It appears to be modified to fit this very large cap. If it was original, why wouldn't the manufacturer make it like all the other chinstraps, but longer? Why this concoction? Was this period-done, or post-war? That would be tough to tell, but this ambiguity should be reflected in the price. Finding a more standard chinstrap for this large of a cap would be almost impossible. Also, the 2 metal chinstrap sizers don't look standard. The corners are too rounded, unless this is a manufacturer's variation. The strap is also VERY shiny. Like I said, this could have been modified by the wearer. Tough call.

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Sorry for the duplicate post. I didn't think the first one went through. Moderator, please remove one post if you'd like. Thanks!!

[Winkelman]

Isn't that chinstrap just regular WH / LW ? Not modified , but simply non- SS ..

[kumatrax]

I have seen this on a dealer's site, but I've forgotten which one.
If I recall, the description mentions the strap being non-standard.

[Antiquefrog]

Very nice indeed.

This style of chinstrap was often favored by the KM as well - there are many photos.

Agree with Ben that these are hardly rare, or even scarce, but they do represent the entry level for SS cap collecting. Even in these tough times they have held their value pretty well.

[inimicus]

right as rain, doc! thanks.

dw

WOW you made me feel smart, a rare feat.

[inimicus]

aha! now makes sense! thanks.

d

Look closely - those are two separate scans posted together as "one photo".


"Hundestaffel"

[SPQR]

Beautiful cap. '4' is Clemens WAGNER maker

[AFF96]

Beautiful cap. '4' is Clemens WAGNER maker

[Jack Aubrey]

Well

I want to thank you all for your posts...

I´ll try to shot it...

Jack

[PMan]

No doubt as to the cap being original. But what's up with the chinstrap? This appears to be a VERY large cap, so the chinstrap was modified to fit this large size. Though I find it hard to believe that the manufacturer actually made it this way, maybe someone can weigh in if they've seen this before. They would have just made a larger strap, not this concoction. Also, the corners of the 2rectangular black metal sizers on the chinstrap are much more rounded than usual. Manufacturer's variation? Unless this chinstrap modification is determined to be original, the price of the cap should reflect this. The chinstrap seems a little more shiny than usual, also. I HAVE seen SS visor caps with non-standard chinstraps in period photos, but I think this may be a post-war modification. The only other explanation that seems feasable, is that the guy's chinstrap broke, and he had to "make-do". Regardless, a wonderful, named cap.

Strap is for Luft NCO. This is an SS RZM cap and should have the regulation center buckle strap. You are right, the price should be adjusted a bit to reflect that. Peter

[Antiquefrog]

Shame, really, that the value of this cap should be discounted because of the chinstrap.

There are many period photos of LW and Herr straps being worn on KM and SS visors.

But the market is what it is, demanding only the book version.

Perhaps this is for the best, but I am not sure.

[Jack Aubrey]

Well

5.695$ plus shipping

Jack

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VERY helpful info from Mr. Manzie. That casts a VERY different light on the cap. The fact that it turns out to be an original period strap, I feel doesn't detract from the desirability of the cap. I've seen quite a few photos of non-standard straps being worn on Allgemeine SS visors. My fear was that it was a "concoction" strap. There's a wonderful photo in "Cloth Insignia of the SS" of an SS man wearing a very early visor with early insignia, and the chinstrap has multiple holes with grommets. Maybe Army, but it sure looks cool!! I wouldn't mind having such a strap on my SS visor!!