TK tab E Stand

[Fritz]

There have been claims that there are pictures out there of the grouping as it came out of the "proverbial woodwork" , but where are these pictures ???

For some reason these questions along with other ones are still being avoided

Grant,

no, that question has in fact been addressed and was not avoided at all. It was said that the pictorial material is to be shown by the current owner exclusively. A pity if he chooses not to do so.

Regrettably neither me nor you have the right to demand the pictorial material to be shown, you can ask as you did but if the owner decides not to follow your request then there is nothing you or I could do.



I can fully understand you don't like your tabs being challenged, who would?

But what might look a bit odd to the neutral reader is that you request for pictures to be shown but want the neutral reader to believe you on good words. Which is fine for sure as I am not doubting what you have said, however, posting parts of a private message that's been sent to you is not fully serving your integrity I am afraid.

Also I can't see, as you seem not to like the Plabst tabs, what a change a picture could make.

It is a general problem, I am not saying you are effected, but it can often be observed, that a change of mind will not be expressed as that would require to admit one was wrong. This even more so commands respect for RobertH's decision to come back and declare that he changed his mind, I suppose he hasn't seen any picture of the group himself but "only" looked at the tabs in hand or at pictures showing the tabs.


Some of the items you have shown are "Plabst-items", these represent a minor fraction of what was found. I can fully understand that you and most other people can't even imagine what was found there, it is in fact hard to believe based on descriptions, it was truly a hoard.



Fritz

[Robert H]

if I have seen it or not is my privacy, to share further info´s are based from the current owner of this superb group himself.

[John T]

Dr. Stranglove,

I have no doubt what you are saying is true, but I think that the questions that several people have asked for is this:

There have been claims that there are pictures out there of the grouping as it came out of the "proverbial woodwork" , but where are these pictures ???

I know that you have commented in post #153, that they are at the new owner's privledge, but I guess that it is now known, that the grouping was broken up, therefore there appear to be several owners, so, I say again, who cares if the original pictures are shown.

For some reason these questions along with other ones are still being avoided

At this point, I think that it is a instrumental part of this discussion. Here is a picture that someone provided earlier in this thread of the Plabst grouping. Is this the only one ?? You can clearly see the Doctors two cuff bands, which by the way, are excellent pieces, but where are the collar tabs that Peter v. L is claiming to be part of the grouping ??

Now, I have also posted a picture of an TK tunic, that also supposedly came from the Plabst grouping. This tunic was purchased by me from Martin Styles of Hannah's Reich, along with all of the other insignias in the picture. Martin had the tunic professionally restored, which the tunic looks great. Now, if this tunic, in fact, did come the Plabst grouping, then I too would be very interested in seeing if this tunic and insignias etc... was part of the Plabst Grouping.

If you look at this this way, I too am a part owner of the grouping, and would like for the original photos to be shown.

Grant-

-I agree this guy definately exists-

-I have seen pictures of the paperwork shown in the photos and the badges and surely a nice collection of items-

/J/

[besslein]

Grant, that Tunic and the Insignia on top of it have nothing to do with Plabst.
Ask Martin, he has never claimed so.

and the two cuff titles you has posted are a part of this group???? i have now idea what to think abaut now,are this two TK titles from Plabst???????????

[John T]

and the two cuff titles you has posted are a part of this group???? i have now idea what to think abaut now,are this two TK titles from Plabst???????????

Yes...they are,

John

[John T]

and maybe more

lol

[TomH]

Here's another cuffband from the grouping - one of three type 2 Oberbayern titles which it contained.

The tunic that came with the collection was the piece de resistance and bore what is arguably the rarest and most desirable cuffband of all.

Far from being scattered to the winds, I think the majority of the grouping is owned by various forum members. Whether they share them or not is their perogative.

Tom

[Dr. Strangelove]

TomH

I can confirm what TomH is saying. There were 3 Flatwire Oberbayern Type 2's and actually 2 Uniforms.

[John]

We are not in US court........this is not 9/11 or <st1><st1:city w:st="on">Guantanamo</st1:city></st1> By Peter v L post # 207



Peter v L,
What does this statement from you have to do with this subject ????? And why the smiling face?????
John
JF

[John T]

I think the smiley faces are a "quirk" in the forum software and not intentional...I have seen this happen before,

Cheers,

J

[Hohenstaufen]

Dr. Stranglove, Ok I guess that I will have to say that I will never see the pictures of the grouping. I will accept that and move on.

If the new owner of the Peter v. L tabs likes them and is satisfied , then that is all that really matters. Good for him.

Fritz, You are correct with your statement, I did take exception to the accusations against my tabs, which I will continue to do so, but apparently this will happen on another day.

My father told me of a old saying:

" When you find yourself in a arguement with either a self proclaimed genius or a obvious fool, then you are better off to just walk away, because you will never win"

With this being said, then I think that, this will be my last post of this thread.

[Dr. Strangelove]

Early Retirement?

H, thank you for the period foto you posted earlier. It caught my attention in that it seems to have many similarities with the Plabst Tabs. I can't help but notice there is no wool coming through the top skull sutures on the period foto like so many of the accepted real tabs and then there is the very close simliarity of the period foto bones to the bones of the Plabst Tabs.

I am not calling anybody's Tabs fake I am just thinking it could be possible there are far more varieties of this Tab than we know.

[cary milligan]

Wow!

Here are two items from the Plabst Group. The collar tabs were found with these and many other wonderful things that have since been split up and sold off, many to various Forum Members.

I think I am going to be sick!! What is the FIRST cufftitle in the pic? Is that one more rare than the second one in post? It is so nice to see these right before bed.....Those pretty sculls.........ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

Thanks Dr. for sharing those. You never cease to amaze me...or us for that matter!

[bnz. 42]

I agree very nice skully thread! The first cufftitle in the pic is EM BeVo - the rarest ..and lets be honest ugliest of all

[Bob Hritz]

I agree very nice skully thread! The first cufftitle in the pic is EM BeVo - the rarest ..and lets be honest ugliest of all

No, it is the EM/NCO RZM machine embroidered Oberbayern skull. It is the cuff title that haunts the dreams of SS insignia collectors.

Bob Hritz