Original SS Mein kampf wedding casket ???

[der-hase-fee]

Let me know when Keith is back, though, if you would. Thanks !

Keith is back and doing business again !

[John Pen.]

Extreme close-ups of "chisel" marks and the edges of acorns and oak leaves would be VERY helpful.
If the guy expects to sell it to a cautious buyer he should provide these close-ups. Otherwise..........

[Capt. R]

I heard an interesting theory on these yesterday....pistol presentation cases. But those were usually hinged, so I doubt it.

Does anyone know if these were used all over the reich or only in one geographical area - that was another thing discussed by a few collectors here.

[der-hase-fee]

I heard an interesting theory on these yesterday....pistol presentation cases. But those were usually hinged, so I doubt it.

I agree.

Does anyone know if these were used all over the reich or only in one geographical area - that was another thing discussed by a few collectors here.

Know ? Of course not. But assuming the MK's that came with the cases were not put into them based on a wicked scheme, it would appear that most are tied to Northern Germany / British occupation zone (locations of the towns mentioned on the dedication pages in the books). That could explain why many appeared in UK.

[Thorsten B.]

Easy:

The owners of these boxes just need to send them in for age determination - go here:


http://www.spectroscopyforart.com/index-de.htm


AFTER that check further conclusions can be drawn why these surfaced especially in the UK/on UK dealer´s sites (and on other dealers from other countries as well).

There is another one again in the coming Hermann Historica auction.

[der-hase-fee]

Easy:

The owners of these boxes just need to send them in for age determination - go here:


http://www.spectroscopyforart.com/index-de.htm


AFTER that check further conclusions can be drawn why these surfaced especially in the UK/on UK dealer´s sites (and on other dealers from other countries as well).

There is another one again in the coming Hermann Historica auction.

No need for hocus-pocus.

[Thorsten B.]

Hocus-pocus?

You mean my mentioned doubtless (and comparatively cheap) possibility of age determination regarding wooden art objects?


If so your recent comment would sound even more suspicious to me!

[Capt. R]

this is so funny to me.

how many of your wooden objects have you put through this same test?

i wish we had a similar test for those tapestries you've been selling. Could have saved everyone so much money.

[Thorsten B.]

I always stayed away from all of these boxes because for me they are all suspicious.

I never bought, owned or sold one of them - not a single one.

So also the "SS MK box" you own is not from me - but if I were you I would let it check.

If it turns out to be an original piece from the period it would be nice to name the honest seller.

If it turns out to be about 1-10 years old it would be even nicer to know more about the seller´s identity.

And if people buy curtains declared as wall tapestries from a dishonest seller that´s not my problem either - and not related to this thread anyway.


Fact is: some souls seem to get really nervous suddenly being confronted with the doubtless possibility of age determination of wooden art objects.

That´s the point here and I think it is plain to see.

[Matthäus Klein]

...a bird in hand is worth 2 in the bush!

Capt. R, i think its a good one.. however, in hand it would make a big difference, the feel, the scent, everything about it that is not always apparent in the pictures..

[Matthäus Klein]

...who are you fulling?

I always stayed away from all of these boxes because for me they are all suspicious.

I never bought, owned or sold one of them - not a single one.

....blau...blau...blau

had it not been for Michael, i would have wasted my money on a 1970's tapestry copy..

as Capt. R says

i wish we had a similar test for those tapestries you've been selling. Could have saved everyone so much money.

[Thorsten B.]

You can talk the talk - now walk the walk!

Well,

Your place is not so far away from Münster so if you want to aquire a nice DHW tapestry just drop me a PM and we can meet - so that you can examine such a tapestry with your own hands and other senses: feel, smell and carefully look at the beautiful piece.

That is more than most other dealers can and are willing to offer - and then you can make up your own mind and separate the spreaded BS from that individual you mentioned from the piece you have in hand and the truth.

And in general: I like communication with persons who have the balls to offer their real names and who have nothing to hide to me - just because I am not interested in copies and human fakes as well, ok?

[Michael Fay]

Easy:

The owners of these boxes just need to send them in for age determination - go here:


http://www.spectroscopyforart.com/index-de.htm


AFTER that check further conclusions can be drawn why these surfaced especially in the UK/on UK dealer´s sites (and on other dealers from other countries as well).

There is another one again in the coming Hermann Historica auction.

Thorsten,
show us how well this test works by showing WAF the results of the tests on your wood items, perhaps the wooden box "truhe" you once showed me?
You know the one...the one with the Wehrmacht soldiers and the sword and the NSDAP eagle on the top?
That would be an excellant place to start.
It really should be proven authentic before it gets sold, dont you think?
I would really like to know if it is authentic, or just carved 3 years ago.

When you post the official results (scanned so we can see the letterhead of this business that tests wood for age on the official letter) then we will have a better understanding of this test you demand be done on wood items.
If you dont , then you are just talking the talk, but not walking the walk.

[Michael Fay]

WaF members helping members

had it not been for Michael, i would have wasted my money on a 1970's tapestry copy..
:

Matthaus, This is what is is all about, helping other members to not get fooled.

[Thorsten B.]

Good idea!

Michael,

unexpected but still so nice to see you suddenly chiming in here.

Actually you are wrong:

The chest I showed to you is not the one with the battle scene and the national emblem on top - nonetheless it is a good idea to get at least one of them checked by the institute I mentioned.

The beautiful and extremely well executed ANRI chest to which you are obviously refering to is already at Hermann Historica´s office in Munich so it is impossible to let that one checked - I handed it over to Mr. Faust from Hermann Historica at the Waffenbörse in Kassel and what can I say?

He was so overwhelmed about the extraordinary quality of the ANRI piece - and authenticity, of course - that he immediately asked for permission to put it in their premium auction in autumn time.
Furthermore he stated that he had never ever seen in his whole career at Hermann´s such a beautiful piece of art manufactured in wood.


Well, maybe you should write a letter to Hermann Historica addressing your concerns to them and publish it and their possible answer and reaction here as well.

That would perhaps help all of us to finally get the board cleaned from the vast mass of these "MK boxes", you know?