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**Garulfo** · 10-07-2009, 12:27 AM

Dyed in black for civilian post war use ?

I know that some M40 were dyed in black too, I've seen some of them in french gun shows in the 90's.

**GD/LW** · 10-07-2009, 01:33 AM

That's a curiousity

Never seen this before. Wonder what the SS collectors will think about it. I will certainly follwo this thread

Jan

**Ian Hulley** · 10-07-2009, 03:27 AM

My guess is that the eagle (although original) was added recently to make money, look how over-stitched it is ... a pretty good sign the edges were fraying from being used before.

Ian.

**Beau Brummel.** · 10-07-2009, 04:47 AM

Dyed for POW use?

Guy.

**Fritz** · 10-07-2009, 04:57 AM

Yes, dyed black for post war civil use. The eagle has been added later. Items like these (dyed black) turn up every once in a while.

Cheers

Fritz

**wssrelics** · 10-07-2009, 06:19 AM

This piece could tell some stories. Poor sewing skills...

I have seen a couple of these floating around in Latvia some years back, but without any insignia. This piece has the feel and look of something coming out of Eastern Europe (in terms of an original piece, not crap).

Cheers Michael

**boersma** · 10-07-2009, 06:31 AM

black

if it is dyed, must not be the inside linning also be black?

**Garulfo** · 10-07-2009, 06:48 AM

Originally posted by boersma View Post

if it is dyed, must not be the inside linning also be black?

The liner fabric doesn't react like the wool, notice that it is grey, so a dying job is possible.

**Paul R.** · 10-07-2009, 06:51 AM

If dyed black it would have been before the assemblage of the tunic. Otherwise the sewing thread would not be white.

**Fritz** · 10-07-2009, 07:02 AM

Originally posted by Paul R. View Post

If dyed black it would have been before the assemblage of the tunic. Otherwise the sewing thread would not be white.

That is not correct for the reasons stated by Garulfo. I have seen them dyed with the interior and threads in nearly the original shades. The dyes didn't work that well with cotton and rayon.

Just look at the pieces of thread that are part of the "recycling based" late war woll fabric, they appear white too and just didn't adopt the dyes as the wool did because they are made of cotton or rayon fibres.

Cheers

Fritz

**DonC** · 10-07-2009, 07:42 AM

I vote for a post-war dye job so it could be worn as a civilian work jacket. The threads and the linings often do not "take" the dyes - there's several examples of dyed tunics on the forum I believe that all exhibit this.

Don

**Dr. Strangelove** · 10-07-2009, 08:12 AM

Fritz

Fritz's comments ring true.

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