Saw this on auction advertised as an 80 yr old plate. Could this be an SS or ahnenerbe inspired plate design or a post-war added design?
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Yes to all the above.Originally posted by Capt. R View PostSaw this on auction advertised as an 80 yr old plate. Could this be an SS or ahnenerbe inspired plate design or a post-war added design?
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Anybody have one or can confirm such a design? It looks to me like someone added the swas. later, but cannot tell from this pic alone. The border does have similar swirls in it, but are those grapes?Comment
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I was trying to figure out to answer without writing a novel worth's of words...and then i read the above.Originally posted by Peter Manzie View Post
I concur.Comment
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If the price is within reason, it would be worth obtaining and studying the possibilities of it's origins first hand. Perhaps not worth taking a gamble.. unless one is able to afford it of course.Comment
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This looks to be of fine quality worksmanship, but I do remember when in Europe on different occasions such carved plates were readily available in various designs and patterns and levels of quality and I think pieces from the 1970's can by now have acquired a fine patina, I guess you would really have to know how to date one and what you have before considering a major commitment.
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JohnComment
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Nothing military with this plate, it is a lauburu or basque cross (yes I know looks like a svatiska ) and was sold as sovenir, with a lot of other items of this part of France, in the south west, at the border with Spain
The plate you show was made in the 60'. The lauburu is engraving also on glass, plates, etc...Comment
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I did not buy the plate but it sold for around 25 Euros. Wish I could physically inspect it. Thanks to those who responded.Comment
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Maybe. But I have seen these spiral armed swastikas on ancestral-inspired Nazi pieces also. I think I have a period pin around here with that very design, patterened after ancient Germanic swastikas, that I believe was a Winterhilfswerk prize.Originally posted by lemalouin View Post
Additionally, I think the maltese cross in the center does imply something of the German military.
I suspect this is not a tourist piece. Whether is it period or post-war is another matter.Comment
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Norse rune curved swastika
Found this depiction of an ancient Norse sun rune - swastika resembles the one on the plate:
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I'm attaching images of a few WHW pins that I own, which feature this style of sunwheel. There was a series of these pins which attempted to demonstrate the archeological provenance for the significance of the swastika.Originally posted by Mr. Scratch View Post
The first is close to the image depicted on the plate. The reverse of the pin features german text which conveys that the motif was found in Greece and is believed to be from 1600 BC.Comment
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Here is another variation. This one states that the motif was uncovered in Poland, and was made of bronze, dating to 1000 BC.
The solar significance is quite clear on this one, given that the perimeter features sun-like rays.Comment
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Was this supp. to be a flippant remark or are you being serious? I know those are all possible, but had you seen anything like this before?Originally posted by Peter Manzie View PostComment
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No, I was serious about my comment as I have seen examples of this design similar to those posted above. I am not however a true student of this symbolism. Also, yes to the possibility of it being post war added. I remember your original posting of the plate and wished I could find one for myself.Originally posted by Capt. R View PostComment
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Originally posted by Capt. R View PostSaw this on auction advertised as an 80 yr old plate. Could this be an SS or ahnenerbe inspired plate design or a post-war added design?
FYI
http://www.germaniainternational.com/ss27.html
scroll down to the middle of the pageComment
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