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**RobertE** · 04-19-2009, 11:51 AM

Lots of organizations used the black rhomboids: LW Pioneers, SD, SS volunteer outfits, RAD, unissued (unnumbered) SA, etc. Based on that backing material, I'd lean toward LW pioneers.

But could be used by the SD as well. Look original, I'd say. s/f Robert

**Erbsentarn** · 04-19-2009, 11:54 AM

Thanks RobertE for answer....the back blue looks like Lw for me too....how did it cost ...?i want to trade theses...
Many thanks for your answer
Cheers
gwen

**RobertE** · 04-19-2009, 12:01 PM

Sorry Gwen, I thought they were black not dark blue. They are probably KM enlisted then, and I'd say around 45.00 USD a pair. I'm no expert, but that's about what i've seen them sell for. Hope that helps. s/f Robert

**Erbsentarn** · 04-19-2009, 12:48 PM

Thanks RobertE.....anyone else could precise your opinion...?
It's important for me to finalized transaction....if you have a picture to confirm it....i'd never seen these collars on KM tunic....!!!
Many thanks
Cheers
gwen

**Erbsentarn** · 04-19-2009, 01:41 PM

i find on this forum some pictures of wear, but colors aren't the same....

Cheers
gwen

**RobertE** · 04-19-2009, 03:08 PM

Sorry Gwen, I can't really tell what color they are from the bluish background they're on - if they are black, not blue, then I'd go for LW engineers (black). s/f Robert

**Erbsentarn** · 04-19-2009, 03:47 PM

Robert, Why are you sure that's for LW Flack,
did you ever seen litzen on Lw tabs like this :

pictures from WAF :

I'm here to learn....!!!!
Cheers
gwen

**RobertE** · 04-19-2009, 04:19 PM

Gwen, not LW flak (red), but LW pioneer (black). The material on the back is not the usual stuff seen on SS/SD tabs, but is very common on LW collar tabs. That almost fabric-type material is on a great deal of the LW tabs I own, but not on any SS/SD. Others could certainly have their opinions, but that material looks more like LW or possibly KM to me.

In the close-up I can see the contrasting stripe, and thanks for pointing that out to me. The LW greatcoat black tabs had litzen, but closer to the edge and shaped like an "L". Yours are different.

I have seen NSKK tabs used as SS ones, so with that litzen trace they could have been worn by the SD, if they are black. If they are a shade of blue, then they could be KM, LW medical, or others.

Not much help, I'm afraid. s/f Robert

**Erbsentarn** · 04-19-2009, 10:49 PM

Hello Robert, excuse me for error....i want to say LW pionner and not LW flack....!!!i've got two left hands....!!!
many thanks for time and for explications....for me these tabs are blue and not dark black....so ok for Lw pionner....
Cheers
gwen

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