SS skull button

[Admiraal]

Hey guys, can anyone help me on this one?
I got it for free from a German friend, it came with allot of other medals and insignia (those were all original),
but he doubted this one, because he thinks the RZM code on the back isn't allright for buttons.
Btw, he isn't a collector, so i've got no idea why he thinks that the code is wrong.

I looked up that RZM code, M was for metal and M5 for uniform accessories.
So to me it doesn't look like the RZM code is wrong for a button.

The whole RZM code is: M5/8
According to a list i found that is: E W. Assmann & Söhne, Lüdenscheid


Picture:

[Milan Gard]

Hi Rick

for me ugly fake

but here is any info http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=338720

regards

[bertha]

Hi,

Yes I agree... sorry
regards

[adlerfan53]

That is not an ugly fake.....it's a happy fake

[Winkelman]

Also note the BRASS shining through ..

[Admiraal]

Thanks guys funny how this fake was between many originals.
Does anyone know when they started making this specific fake?
I'm asking because it was once part of an old collection that was donated.

Also note the BRASS shining through ..

Oke, so brass for these buttons is wrong?

[revi]

I've seen a brass skull button once (!) , it was a ( very ) early model with different ( early ) code, never seen one again unfortunately.
The one here by the way should be coded M1/...., not M5/.. .
The rest of the remaining buttons are, as far as my observation and knowledge of metals go, aluminium alloy or nickel steel alloy cover, backside nickel steel alloy, aluminium alloy and zinc alloy.
Would be interesting to hear from members with more material knowledge than I have about the materials used.
Hope this helps.

[Winkelman]

Thanks guys funny how this fake was between many originals.
Does anyone know when they started making this specific fake?
I'm asking because it was once part of an old collection that was donated.

Hello Rick , I found exactly the same one in an old Dutch collection - untouched for some 20 years , along with other repro's from the seventies . And some good items , fortunately . BTW , it was stolen from my table at the Jaarbeurs in Utrecht , moments after showing it to someone .. Of course it was not the one shown here , but also in brass , that's why I remembered . If early originals DID actually exist , I have ( again ) learned something new ..?

[revi]

P.S:

the early coded brass button I referred to did not have the skull shape as the one displayed above, furthermore it had a different code.

[sgstandard]

Button

I had the exact button and it was the FIRST item I ever bought ($5). I was pretty green, and I though "it sure LOOKS real!!" I believe it was from the mid-or late 70's.

[Winkelman]

Exactly what " my " collector must have thought at the time . Cheap , and goodlooking - AT THE TIME . . Items were mainly cheap purchases ( all repro , of course ) and Dutch resistance veteran gifts ( all original - LOL ) ..