SS-TV Collar Tab TK xx

[Robert H]

Bob H. and others, it is a well known copy's from Europe, and no excuses on these fake / copy generation.
There is nothing original about it, and Gary is also well in the loop about it.

You will find them also as TK sleeve diamonds, earl numbered VT tabs, boards and even as Probe pieces.

cheers,
Robert

[Milan Gard]

well known copy's from Europe, and no excuses on these fake / copy generation.
and there is nothing original about it!

cheers,
Robert

... AND now is big problem, where is TRUE

FAKE or ORIGINAL

it is problem, which must resolved every collector alone

[Milan Gard]

for me 135USD

[Swan]

Thanks Bob and Gary

and all to , yes it is from H.W. site, price 1500Eur , it is for me unacceptable price (out of range 100-200USD)

here is owner photo , maybe, i dont know

PS: Gary special thanks for photo

I had achance to look at this at the show, and it was a real tab with the numbers removed as perscribed, while they waited for the new horrizontal tabs to be issued. However, the photo that was with it, was not of the same tab prior to having the number removed. The shape of the numeral impression and position were different than the number in the photo, at least to me.
The thing that bothered me a bit you can see in the pic, the remnants left from where the numbers were, are not centerd on the tab, yet you can see the numbers on the one in the photo are centered as they should be. This tab may have been remounted at some point. Just my quick observation at the time.

[bwanek1]

I had achance to look at this at the show, and it was a real tab with the numbers removed as perscribed, while they waited for the new horrizontal tabs to be issued. However, the photo that was with it, was not of the same tab prior to having the number removed. The shape of the numeral impression and position were different than the number in the photo, at least to me.
The thing that bothered me a bit you can see in the pic, the remnants left from where the numbers were, are not centerd on the tab, yet you can see the numbers on the one in the photo are centered as they should be. This tab may have been remounted at some point. Just my quick observation at the time.

Have you been smoking something other than tobacco in one of those bogus pipes you believe are real? This tab is the EXACT SAME one which was previously offered for sale with the numbers still on it!! The numbers were not removed during the TR per regulations, they were removed last year in order to deceive some fool into believing it is authentic! Look at the side-by-side photos Gary provided. Do you think the photo of the identical tab when it still had the numbers was taken pre-1945?!

[cary milligan]

Tabs

Question to those of you who attened the SOS......was the "little French guy" set up near the front of the building....near Bill Shae? This person had three tabs that looked somewhat like the tab in question but did not have numbers on or off the tab.
The tabs he had looked great to a novice like me.....but were too cheap. I think they were $350.00 each.

[Bob Hritz]

Well, it fooled me. Looks like my friend will be returning the tab.

Thank you for all the detective work, Gary.

What is that old saying? There is no fool like an old fool......

Bob Hritz

[Swan]

Have you been smoking something other than tobacco in one of those bogus pipes you believe are real? This tab is the EXACT SAME one which was previously offered for sale with the numbers still on it!! The numbers were not removed during the TR per regulations, they were removed last year in order to deceive some fool into believing it is authentic! Look at the side-by-side photos Gary provided. Do you think the photo of the identical tab when it still had the numbers was taken pre-1945?!

Well the skull looked good from what I said was a "quick" observation, and I stand buy that statment. I was more focused on the entire cloth being offset, plus not the number in the photo according to the impressions in the material.I also noted it looked like it had been remounted, ie messed with as stated.
I was told $2,000., but didn't try to negotiate, as I didn't like the things mentioned above.
In regards to pipes, and other products by private contractors supplying the Germanan military, all branches, for somone to say no way, I say yes they did. I can also dig up some war time photo's of ss men smoking a pipe, to include SS Gen Eicke, also lots of others smoking cigaretts. I have a neat 1939 photo of a SS snow man at Dachau with a pipe stuck in it's mouth, I'm sure a human smoker must have lent it to him.

[bwanek1]

Well the skull looked good from what I said was a "quick" observation, and I stand buy that statment. I was more focused on the entire cloth being offset, plus not the number in the photo according to the impressions in the material.I also noted it looked like it had been remounted, ie messed with as stated.
I was told $2,000., but didn't try to negotiate, as I didn't like the things mentioned above.
In regards to pipes, and other products by private contractors supplying the Germanan military, all branches, for somone to say no way, I say yes they did. I can also dig up some war time photo's of ss men smoking a pipe, to include SS Gen Eicke, also lots of others smoking cigaretts. I have a neat 1939 photo of a SS snow man at Dachau with a pipe stuck in it's mouth, I'm sure a human smoker must have lent it to him.

The fact that SS men smoked pipes doesn't make the markings on those POS pipes authentic any more than the fact that SS men wore tabs with skulls on them makes the tab, which is the subject of this thread, authentic! Your "logic" is illogical.

[Swan]

The fact that SS men smoked pipes doesn't make the markings on those POS pipes authentic any more than the fact that SS men wore tabs with skulls on them makes the tab, which is the subject of this thread, authentic! Your "logic" is illogical.

One of things your forgeting in that thread, used to make your case of the pipes must be fake, were the posters saying that the men should not smoke a pipe. Now if you want to mix skulls with pipes, that's what I would term illogical.

[DaveG]

And the world ends not with a bang but a whimper. Though I don't collect SS cloth, episodes like this are becoming more and more common. The old collector adage of "if you handle enough of them you'll know the difference between good and bad" is fast becoming useless advice as is the recommendation to buy reference books. Very soon you'll be better off saving your money and buying spectrum analyzers, carbon dating equipment, and equiping a home laboratory that the FBI would be proud of.

Boys I'm 55 and have been accumulating/collecting since I was nine years old and remember when collecting 20th century militaria was the bluest of blue collar hobbies - cheaper than buying guns, more fun than collecting wheat pennies or stamps. Like everything these days this hobby has been corporatized, and like the financial markets, if you're not an insider and privvy to the shennanigans of the "crooked little Frenchman" types that infect this hobby then you're screwed.

I used to wonder how I would know when it was time to sell my collection. I think I finally know. It's been a fun 45 years, the first 20 of them anyway.

Dave

[Swan]

And the world ends not with a bang but a whimper. Though I don't collect SS cloth, episodes like this are becoming more and more common. The old collector adage of "if you handle enough of them you'll know the difference between good and bad" is fast becoming useless advice as is the recommendation to buy reference books. Very soon you'll be better off saving your money and buying spectrum analyzers, carbon dating equipment, and equiping a home laboratory that the FBI would be proud of.

Boys I'm 55 and have been accumulating/collecting since I was nine years old and remember when collecting 20th century militaria was the bluest of blue collar hobbies - cheaper than buying guns, more fun than collecting wheat pennies or stamps. Like everything these days this hobby has been corporatized, and like the financial markets, if you're not an insider and privvy to the shennanigans of the "crooked little Frenchman" types that infect this hobby then you're screwed.

I used to wonder how I would know when it was time to sell my collection. I think I finally know. It's been a fun 45 years, the first 20 of them anyway.

Dave

Your right on Dave, having collected since 1952 and traveling all over, I learned never say never. I did't see any ss marks on pipes, but have seen boxes marked in a simular fashion. I believe the little gentleman refered to with a French accent, is actually from Belgium.

[Milan Gard]

Your right on Dave, having collected since 1952 and traveling all over, I learned never say never. I did't see any ss marks on pipes, but have seen boxes marked in a simular fashion. I believe the little gentleman refered to with a French accent, is actually from Belgium.

... and is that a important from he is?

[John Pic]

My sentiments exactly...when you see tunics that exhibit no wear or age at all on any of the insignias and it looks like they were made yesterday by a tailor...yet everything is perfect in specs to the stuff from the period youre in a troubled hobby...how can one pay even $5000 for something they cant prove was there and looks like it was made two weeks ago. I did and learned alot .

[Felix]

I am starting to recognise these neatly drilled moth holes. Almost fooled me last year on a D cypher shoulder boards pair.

Gary, is it connected to the same Italian source?

//Felix