Is this a good one?
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5/8 are never good -
Please give me more specific information about this skull. My plan is to bye it if it is a orginal 5/8.
But YES the 5/8 is not as "pretty" as the 1/52 or the 499/41
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All of these 5/8 are fake. The 5 prefix was never used on visor insignia. Just use "search" and you will find more...Comment
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Don't try and do a '5/8' search unless you have a day or 2 to read all the hits .... It's a horrendous and obvious fake.
Ian.Comment
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Ok, so 5/8 (M5/8 E W. Assmann & Söhne, Lüdenscheid ) did'nt make matall insigna? Just cloth insigna?
Anyone else who can confirm this?
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Assmann made plenty of cap insignia and uniform trimmings under several hersteller contract numbers ... but never 5/8.
Ian.Comment
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No metal insignia RZM maker mark should start with 5. In the RZM code system, 1 is for insignia. The RZM complete marking code reflects the material, type of item, and the manufacturer. For metal cap insignia, the code begins with "M" indicating the material (metal), “1” indicates the type of item (insignia), and, following the slash, a one or two-digit number indicates the manufacturer. 8 is actually a code for one of the original metal insignia manufacturers, Wagner. However, Wagner only produced eagles. So, though you will find original eagles marked "M1/8," you will find no original skulls with this marking.
Therefore, "5/8" is wrong on several counts. It is missing the material code, it has the wrong code for insignia, and it uses the code for a maker who did not manufacture TKs at all.
The SS also contracted directly with manufacturers for the production of insignia, independent of the RZM contracts. The SS assigned their own three-digit numbers to manufacturers, which were entirely unrelated to the codes some of these companies already been assigned by the RZM. The SS required that insignia produced under their contracts be marked with their own manufacturer number followed by a slash (or dash) and the two-digit year. As the insignia produced directly for the SS were made by RZM-contracted manufacturers, they still retained the RZM symbol.
As a result, we now find insignia having been produced by the same manufacturer but with different markings, dependant upon whether that particular lot had been produced under contract with the RZM or with the SS directly. For Deschler, the RZM manufacturer cose was 52 and the SS contract number was 254, so, we find Deschler skulls marked with either 52, produced for the RZM, or 254, produced directly for the SS. In one case, an eagle produced by Zimmermann, both marking codes were used on the same piece of insignia (SS marking “499/42” and RZM marking “M1/72”), indicating the likelihood that that portions of that production run were delivered separately to both the RZM and to the SS to satisfy two different contract requirements simultaneously.
However, the skull in question does not fit the SS marking convention any better than the RZM code. If this were an SS-contracted skull, the number before the slash should be a three-digit manufacturer code and 5 doesn't fit. Likewise, the number following the slash would be a two-digit year and 8 doesn't fit. This faker simply borrowed the 5/8 code from an Assmann SS uniform button and incorrectly used it on a piece of insignia.
ALL OF THIS INFORMATION IS ALREADY AVAILABLE ON THIS FORUM. I SUGGEST THAT YOU TRY USING THE SEARCH FUNCTION IN THE FUTURE FIRST.<!--IBF.ATTACHMENT_581505--><!-- THE POST -->Comment
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Very good information and explaination Brad!
And the skull is bad to the bone!
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Brad
Brad, thank you.Comment
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Thanks for information brad, and sorry for not checking first! The reason for this "beneath contempt" tread is: I did'nt new the 5/8 was a fantasi product!
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May I just ask 'Maxmin Todt' one thing please ? .....
If you don't even know the simplist 5/8 fake skull what makes you feel qualified to comment on the other insignias you've expressed an opinion on ?
Just wondered.
Ian.Comment
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Simple my friend!
I got a lot of pic in my collection to compere with! And I've got one of the 1/52 myself.
..and i try to be helpful, not sarcastic as some of the the members in this forum!
I'm her to learn! And I really did'nt know the 5/8. Thats why I post this tread!Comment
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Mmmm, just wondered.
Didn't the poor style, fake markings, abysmal construction, plus of course your experience, tell you immediately it was 100% bad
I bought one in 1978, as a repro and it cost £1.00 (from Quartermaster at the Angel for the old timer UK collectors
) it came twinned with the old pigeon head eagle ... also a £1.
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