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    #31
    Originally posted by HERMSDORF View Post
    If you don´t know this-you don´t know really much of German Militaria,
    Obviously you're correct

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      #32
      Andy,
      If you think that "dug" skull is good, who do you think made it? ....maybe a prisoner in an escape atempt, with uniform made of blankets?
      Really, who would wear such a skull? Aren't you even a little skeptical? Can you blame others for their skeptisism?

      IMHO you need to prove why it is good so the "experts" here can add it to their "variant lists", until then it is just one very ugly skull that some one said that they dug up(if true, who knows origin?) and no one has ever seen before.
      Maybe there is much info that you can provide on this mutant skull?

      not meaning to offend,
      Jp

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        #33
        more pics

        here are more pics of the eagle.

        SScollector, I know about your great experiance in these items, but this eagle has NEVER been done by casting , it is 100% die struck. The material thickness is only 0.3 mm at all places, that you can never do if you cast an original. And never from steel. The whole item weights only 5 gr!
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                #37
                Yes, I have experience and my experience tells me that there are cast flaws all over this eagle. Also, the chunk that is missing between the feathers show that this was cast from an original, as this die flaw is found on the originals, but not that deep. The rest of the points and pitting are too obvious.

                Best, Chris
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                  more:
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                    #39
                    Chris,

                    you can not cast these details and 90° edges as here to see:
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                      #40
                      As this is magnetic and has very thin sides, I would also say this is stamped from a die, by all appearances. It is simply too thin (and light) to be cast, IMO. Stepping away from just SS, cast Army and Luftwaffe eagles abound, and there is nothing this fine that I've ever seen.

                      If the pitting is the basis for the assumption this piece is a casting, consider other (iron) items from the same period, such as dog tags and bayonet scabbards. Many of these items exhibit a very similiar effect, which looks almost like a leeching of the ferrous metals.

                      Steel does this over time.

                      regards, Robert

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                        #41
                        Originally posted by RobertE View Post
                        As this is magnetic and has very thin sides, I would also say this is stamped from a die, by all appearances. It is simply too thin (and light) to be cast, IMO. Stepping away from just SS, cast Army and Luftwaffe eagles abound, and there is nothing this fine that I've ever seen.

                        If the pitting is the basis for the assumption this piece is a casting, consider other (iron) items from the same period, such as dog tags and bayonet scabbards. Many of these items exhibit a very similiar effect, which looks almost like a leeching of the ferrous metals.

                        Steel does this over time.

                        regards, Robert
                        Actually, it could be a casting. The process used however requires a special vacuumized mold that quickly draws the molten metal through it before it can solidify. Thin metal solidifies very rapidly as you can imagine. The molds for this are expensive.....30K. I doubt this eagle is a casting.

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                          #42
                          It is possible, Pete, that this is a very high tech casting. However, the surface imperfections alone on a steel/magnetic surface can be caused by more than a poor casting process.

                          Again, police, army, and luftwaffe eagles that are stamped tin or ferrous metals occasionally look like this.

                          regards, Robert

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                            #43
                            Originally posted by RobertE View Post
                            It is possible, Pete, that this is a very high tech casting. However, the surface imperfections alone on a steel/magnetic surface can be caused by more than a poor casting process.



                            regards, Robert
                            Robert.
                            Francisco

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                              #44
                              This eagle is a stamping, almost certainly made on a rolling mill. It does have some flaws, but NONE of the characteristics of a cast piece, ESPECIALLY not a cast iron piece, and this is not cast steel either.

                              You're not going to see many cast iron/steel pieces 0.3 mm thick with sharply angled edges. Actually, I'm not sure you will ever see any.

                              The design flaws could come from a rusty die (which indicates a repro pulled off of an old die), or if it is a total repro, they may have either a) accidentally introduced flaws while making the die, or b) used some tricks I know to make a brand new stamping look pre-aged with some light pitting.

                              The rolling mill dies can be had "fairly" cheaply. I have a friend (a jeweler, not a military collector), who looked into having dies made in China for one of his projects. I think the quotes he got were in the $450-$1,100 price range.
                              Last edited by checkit; 06-16-2010, 11:49 PM.

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                                #45
                                Checkit,
                                IMHO you have the best answer yet. As far as I know, everything that you just stated is 100% correct.
                                Regards,
                                Jp

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