Bullion Sleeve Eagle

[Kreager]

Looks like a good one to me. What do you guys think?

[Kreager]

[Arran]

To me, it looks typical of the earliest Indian fakes, which often used real silver bullion...

[phild]

To me, it looks typical of the earliest Indian fakes, which often used real silver bullion...

I agree. This type of fake was certainly around by the early 1980s and maybe before. The India or Paki connection was the reported origin and they were done in silver or more likely silver plated wire.

[Kreager]

I agree. This type of fake was certainly around by the early 1980s and maybe before. The India or Paki connection was the reported origin and they were done in silver or more likely silver plated wire.

Thanks guys. Man this eagle looked really good too. I appreciate it.

[Bob Hritz]

I have never seen an eagle like this. I must have missed something, as it looks very interesting and I would not dismill this yet. It is very similar to Italian made insignia.

There were strange sleeve eagles made, during the poeriod, and I will leave an open mind until I have further proof this is a post-war eagle.

I recall the early fakes and they were comical.

Bob Hritz

[Kreager]

I have never seen an eagle like this. I must have missed something, as it looks very interesting and I would not dismill this yet. It is very similar to Italian made insignia.

There were strange sleeve eagles made, during the poeriod, and I will leave an open mind until I have further proof this is a post-war eagle.

I recall the early fakes and they were comical.

Bob Hritz

Hi Bob, Very Interesting. Can you please have a look at my M36 tunic in this section. I appreciate it, Matt

[Bob Hritz]

I did not see anything that causes me concern, on your tunic. Certainly, the tricot collar is different, but tailors did many things that are unusual. The boards appear to have been originally applied and the collar tabs are original. If the only problem is the concern over the sleeve eagle, I would leave the tunic as it is until there was something more definate.

Bob Hritz

[Kreager]

I did not see anything that causes me concern, on your tunic. Certainly, the tricot collar is different, but tailors did many things that are unusual. The boards appear to have been originally applied and the collar tabs are original. If the only problem is the concern over the sleeve eagle, I would leave the tunic as it is until there was something more definate.

Bob Hritz

Thank You Bob, I appreciate your opinion very much

Matt

[Robin Lumsden]

I would not dismiss this yet. It is very similar to Italian made insignia. There were strange sleeve eagles made during the period.................

I agree.

I have a diplomatic eagle in the same silver bullion (on grey tricot) which I've had for donkey's years and am totally happy with.

This photo shows one of the odd types of original eagle that can be encountered................

[Robin Lumsden]

Another oddball eagle....................

[Arran]

It is very similar to Italian made insignia.

Bob Hritz

Good point, and I hadn't thought of that. Is there a cardboard template beneath the embroidery?

[phild]

I will back off a bit as well. The Indian fakes that I have seen used at least 2 different of bullion wire (more like the standard originals) and this one uses only one type. I also recall that the inner curve to the top of the wings was more rounded on the fakes and this one is at an angle.

This one has a lot of characteristics...maybe 10 or so that are very different from the standard accepted originals of this pattern, but as always it could be difficult to prove that it is a foreign and/or non-standard period eagle.

[Kreager]

Thanks Robin, You posted some very interesting and odd eagles for sure.