Not-Dachau Edelweiss: question.

[PBR]

Hello,

How do you "call" a not-dachau find, not-mint, used SS edelweiss?
Would be correct to name it "RZM style"?

Best Regards

[Felix]

Please post a photo of the edelweiss in question.
I just call them SS edelweiss in cloth. There is only one basic style of WSS sleeve edelweiss that I know of and it comes with some minor variaton in the shape of the edelweiss itself. The backing material can also vary.

I have never seen them rzm tagged so I do not know if that version is correct either. I guess that if the mountain units of the waffen SS wore the edelweiss pre 1943 you could call it RZM version. However I have never seen that term used anywhere about the SS edelweiss and would not use it myself. Hoards of this style of edelweiss for both the sleeve and the cap were found in the liberated Dacahu and brought back to the US by the GI's.

Real uniform removed and used SS edelweiss are rather rare. I have owned 2 out a total of about 15.

//Felix

[PBR]

Hi Felix,

I don't need to post the image since as you stated there was one type of SS edelweiss only; the embroidered one on black cloth (of course with some slight variations in the shape).

So, since all the mint SS-Edelweiss on the market are called "Dachau" since they were probably found at Dachau Depots, I was wondering how you would call the ones that were not found at Dachau: I would suggest RZM embroided style, since that is the term in use for the embroided SS foreign volunteers tabs not found at Dachau.

The WSS GJ used solid Edelweiss for Polizei\Heer before october 1943, but against any regulation.

I know how rare the used SS Edelweiss are, I too have 2 only, a sleeve and a M43 one.

Best Regards

[Bax]

Hi,

This is an interesting issue and you will probably get a few different opinions. Do remember that the terms "Dachau" pattern, "RZM" pattern etc. often are collectors setting names in order to differentiate and make conversations between collectors easier. I believe as Felix said that there is only one pattern shield. Collectors often label it as Dachau due to finding them there. Even if I find shields elsewhere I will still label them Dachau pattern shields as it is easy and collectors will understand what pattern I am referring to.

Rgds
Pål

[PBR]

Hello Pål,

Thanks for the reply.

So, you would call "Dachau Pattern" an SS used Edelweiss not produced at Dachau's ?

Best Regards

[Bob Hritz]

I am only aware of one SS pattern edelweiss for the tunic and for the cap. These are the types found from Dachau.

I don't think anything can be learned from vague answers without posting the actuial piece.

Bob Hritz

[PBR]

Hello,

So, all the SS Edelweiss used since 1943 were produced at Dachau only?

I know well the only SS edelweiss pattern, so no need to post it: I'm just asking, how would you call an used edelweiss period applied in 1943 on a WSS Gebirgsjager uniform and not find at the Dachau depots in 1945?
"Dachau Find"?!

Best Regards

[Dr. Strangelove]

Yes

Yes, EXACTLY, we want fotos !! For Pete's sake we collect SS Cloth. We are visual and tactile People give us Pictures at least.

[Robert H]

RZM Edelweiss

[TonyS]

Hello,



I'm just asking, how would you call an used edelweiss period applied in 1943 on a WSS Gebirgsjager uniform and not find at the Dachau depots in 1945?


Best Regards

I think what the guys are saying is, there was only one type. So then it would either be:

1. used - either still on or removed from a tunic

or

2. unused (never on on a tunic)

[PBR]

Hi Tony,

Thanks for the reply.
Yes, I know what you mean, but since all the unused Edelweiss are random called "Dachau", how would you call an used one?
"Different Production from Dachau"?

There must be a classification an not only Used and Unused..

Robert, I did not catch your post, so I can't reply.

Best Regards

[madandi]

Forget Dachau!
Nearly all unused, late SS-Clothbadges are "called" Dachau. But this is not a correct term for a modification. Just for the place, there the most of unused stuff were found.

[Robert H]

I ment not all what is these days called RZM insignia was really going thru the RZM, and same what madandi says with Dachau insignias.

[PBR]

Forget Dachau!
Nearly all unused, late SS-Clothbadges are "called" Dachau. But this is not a correct term for a modification. Just for the place, there the most of unused stuff were found.

Ohhh, very gut!
You got it now.
So, if Dachau is NOT correct for the stuff not produced at Dachau's, how would you call an edelweiss not produced\found at Dachau's?

Not-Dachau Edelweiss?
Pre-Dachau Edelweiss?
SS Edelweiss early production?
RZM embroided style Edelweiss (not-Dachau)?

We all agree that:
1)There was one type of SS edelweiss only
2)Is not correct to call Dachau the Edelweiss not found\produced there.
3)A Dachau Edelweiss should be an unused one, since even if some of them were used on the field there's no way now to tell if they were produced there. So, a Dachau Edelweiss is a mint Edelweiss coming from the Dachau finds only.

So maybe we can name them after the firm that produced them?
Who produced the Edelweiss during the period between 1943 and 1945?
Which firm\factory\label?

Seems there's no way to find out a term to use to indicate that item...

Best Regards

[PBR]

I ment not all what is these days called RZM insignia was really going thru the RZM, and same what madandi says with Dachau insignias.

Hello,

I'm noticed of that, infact I suggested "RZM embroided style edelweiss" not "RZM Edelweiss".
So, for istance, how we call the embroided WSS tabs not produced by RZM and neither at Dachau?
I have always called them "RZM style" to indicate that they were different from the BeVo and the Flatwire ones but I can be wrong.

Best Regards