WWII SS uniforms from Beijing

[90th Light]

Hello everyone!

Thank you ALL very much for your advises even criticisms.Maybe I and my partners choose a wrong place for advertising.

Two points:

The first,"Why reproduce!?"There were millions of young people who likes WWII Germany military stories in China.They first can become WWII Germany military collectors tomorrow,if they can get GOOD,and CHEAP German medals or uniforms.

If there were 20,000,000 or 50,000,000 people loves WWII Germany military collecting in the world,that would be great,isn't it??

The second,ALL of our uniforms have big labels inside.We have the trademark "Hermann",it's my German name.And many metal fittings,buttons,has marked "Made in China".We don't make FAKE,but only Nice Replica!

Hello Victor, we have saying here in New Zealand

"always be careful of those who are so noble"

and while I acknowledge and commend what you say here, I have to say with all honesty I am not convinced that it will not be very long before there are some top notch fakes coming from China just as there are top notch fakes of every thing else appearing and in many cases traced back to China.

also coming from a country which now has a totally free trade agreement with China, I have to say that I am shocked by the working conditions and standards in many of your factories where fake products are made (can provide specific details from visits to such factories if you want)

but look on the bright side, you could now have your own reenactment of an SS concentration camp clothing factory while you make these German uniforms because that is the state of many factories in your country.

still would cost me over US$15 a production hour to make something in the USA when it costs less than US$0.35 a production hour in China. There is only one way you can achieve US$0.35 and it is called exploitation.

Another reason not to buy such fakes, Chris

[bwanek1]

The first,"Why reproduce!?"There were millions of young people who likes WWII Germany military stories in China.They first can become WWII Germany military collectors tomorrow,if they can get GOOD,and CHEAP German medals or uniforms.

I have never known anyone with a real interest in historical artifacts buying replicas as a way of working their way up to the real thing. Buying replicas is not collecting real pieces of history.

If there were 20,000,000 or 50,000,000 people loves WWII Germany military collecting in the world,that would be great,isn't it??

Are you really asking us if we would like a large segment of the most populous country on the planet to become competition for us in finding and buying very scarce items?!

[N.C. Wyeth]

still would cost me over US$15 a production hour to make something in the USA when it costs less than US$0.35 a production hour in China. There is only one way you can achieve US$0.35 and it is called exploitation.

Another reason not to buy such fakes, Chris

MY ULTIMATE GRIPE! Sorry - too "politically-charged" of a subject, so I will say no more other than this is another reason not to buy ANYTHING from China!

Brad

[Koguryo9]

Brad,

I don't get it, you don't buy anything from China because their workers are paid so little compared to those in the west? Wow, this is definitely an interesting argument.

Check the computer you use, from the monitor to the keyboard to the mouse to some of the components inside, chances are they are made in China. Are you going to stop using it and buy one made in the USA?

Chris,

Unfortunately that's the way it works in today's world. They might just make 35cents an hour while the bulk of the profit goes to corporate America/New Zealand etc. There is a one piece of good news though, wages in China are going up so fast that a lot of western operations have left China and went to places like India and Vietnam.

My question is, are you willing to pay 10 times more for something?

[Bob Hritz]

I grew up when the US was the greatest exporter on earth. Everyone wanted American made products that were built by skilled and well paid workers. Most women did not work, but stayed at home with children, when I grew up. Earning $200.00 a week allowed people to buy a home, drive a car, and have the little nicities of life, although not rich.

I do not think life is better when good paying jobs are lost so we can have things built on slave labor and buy cheap. Now days, it better be cheap to afford on the minimum wage jobs Americans can look forward to.

I try very hard to buy American, when I can afford the product. When we don't make any more products, we can get ready to see America as the home of cheap slave labor for those countries to which we shipped all those American Dollars.

Bob Hritz

[ebony]

Hey one thing I will say Chris,s(90thlight) computer is so old i would say it was mad by a cave man of what nation is hard to say but I doubt it is china.

[90th Light]

Hey one thing I will say Chris,s(90thlight) computer is so old i would say it was mad by a cave man of what nation is hard to say but I doubt it is china.

Its true, my computer is so old that it takes up a whole room in my house, has valves and I have to board walk every hour so I can replace the valves which the moths and bugs fly into making them explode but hey it was all made in England and even leaks oil.

Does the world really need more Chinese made fake SS uniforms and I wonder if they will also make fake Japanese uniforms ? You know like the ones the Japanese were wearing when they invaded Peking or is that cutting too close to the bone ?

Chris

[N.C. Wyeth]

Brad,

I don't get it, you don't buy anything from China because their workers are paid so little compared to those in the west? Wow, this is definitely an interesting argument.

Check the computer you use, from the monitor to the keyboard to the mouse to some of the components inside, chances are they are made in China. Are you going to stop using it and buy one made in the USA?

See Bob's comment #50, and think long and hard about it . . . you'll figure it out some day!

Brad

[A H]

Hi Mr Liu,

Please stick to faking viagra

Kind regards,
Gerd V

Hahahahaha

you sound bitter get a bad batch

[he111h6]

I have never known anyone with a real interest in historical artifacts buying replicas as a way of working their way up to the real thing. Buying replicas is not collecting real pieces of history.

Are you really asking us if we would like a large segment of the most populous country on the planet to become competition for us in finding and buying very scarce items?!

It's easy to see that more people collecting,the items you had collected would be more valuable.

If there were millions of people loves it,you would found yourself is on the top of pyramid!

[Ludwig]

No need to get upset! They are just doing what dealers have been doing for decades, but these guys at least have the guts to tell us!

[Koguryo9]

Does the world really need more Chinese made fake SS uniforms and I wonder if they will also make fake Japanese uniforms ? You know like the ones the Japanese were wearing when they invaded Peking or is that cutting too close to the bone ?

There are already a lot of fakes (they prefer being called "repros" I think) out there, and who knows where they are made. I am talking about sites like atthefront, 1944militaria, soldat, lost battalion (made in the USA, I think), why single out the Chinese made ones?

I really don't get your argument. What is Victor Liu doing differently than the rest of those repro dealers?


Brad,

I am not sure if the majority of the Americans are willing to pay 10 times more for something than they are paying right now just to keep the jobs in America. Not that they are not patriotic/nationalistic enough, but I'd think bottom line matters the most to most people.

Plus, competitive advantage. The US has comparative advantages in producing stuff like corn, soybeans, computer chips and airplanes, not on these repro SS uniforms.

[FLiPSiDE]

There are already a lot of fakes (they prefer being called "repros" I think) out there, and who knows where they are made. I am talking about sites like atthefront, 1944militaria, soldat, lost battalion (made in the USA, I think), why single out the Chinese made ones? I really don't get your argument. What is Victor Liu doing differently than the rest of those repro dealers?

I think the problem here is that Mr Victor Liu isn't posting his questions on a WWII reenactors forum. He's posting it on a forum dedicated to those interested in aquiring/collecting "REAL" historical military items, where the majority of our time and energy in this hobby is currently dedicated to avoiding the sea of ever growing fakes (reading books about them, posting pictures, posting threads, etc). Further more he's asking for our extremely knowledgeable members to help him tweak his products to make them even more "realistic" (he wants us to tell him exactly what is differing between his item and the real thing so that he can go back and modify his wares to the specific details that some of the best militaria experts in the world use to tell the difference between what is a real uniform item and a fake uniform item). I'm sorry to say but that is very messed up!

The other problem that members here have with this (IMO) is that I think we all know that these companies who are making high quality reproductions are most certainly getting a substantial portion of their business from people selling their items as "authentic" on websites like fleabay, or in shops all over the world. I mean do you really think individuals buying a couple uniforms for WWII reenacting is this guys bread-and-butter business - how big of an industry is that, how big are the profits in selling repro items to a very small percentage of the world who partakes in the reenacting hobby? If that was Mr Liu's only intention do you think he'd be posting his products on a legit militaria site and asking experts about how to make his products more realistic?

I'm guessing this guy has a line of uniforms with "reproduction" tags and then a line that goes out the back door to unscrupulous militaria dealers. After all if one of these dealers can sell just a few of these uniforms as real ver a years time he/she made what many make in an entire year of hard work. That's the problem people have here....as far as I can tell.

[Koguryo9]

Flipside,

I agree his message was posted in the wrong place. Maybe this is a better and more appropriate place, Victor Liu. http://www.reenactor.net/main_htmls/ww2.html

I don't really know where repro dealers make most of their money from, but I wouldn't underestimate the seriousness of the WWII reenactment hobby and the amout of interest people (not necessarily serious collectors) generally have on WWII German uniforms. For most of them these repros serve their purpose.

If Victor Liu's repro uniforms all come with buttoms labeled "Made in China" like he said they would, then I see nothing wrong with them. Soliciting opinions to make his products better itself is not a crime.

[N.C. Wyeth]

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