SS-BW breadbag

[mgschutze]

Hello,

I've this breadbag 20 years in my collection. I've made some photo's today, because I would like to know when these were produced. Is it late war, it looks like that because of the savings. Maybe one of you could tell me more about this breadbag. Inside is the SS-BW stamp. See pic's

Thanks, Jim

[mgschutze]

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Here is my SS man wearing the SS breadbag

[Gran Sasso]

Maybe one of you could tell me more about this breadbag. Inside is the SS-BW stamp. See pic's

As far as I know there were only uniforms produced at Buchenwald (BW), no fieldgear. So IMO the markings are fake.

This so-called late war breadbag, the experts have different opinions. For sure its not a military issue: Soldiers still and belts in 1945, so no need for lacking the belt loops. Also both messkits and canteens were still needed, so why only attachements for one of those?

IMO those are wartime, but made for female personal: they were not wearing belts, and only canteens. Also their gasmasks show simular carrying strap arrangements (shoulder only).

[mgschutze]

As far as I know there were only uniforms produced at Buchenwald (BW), no fieldgear. So IMO the markings are fake

BW= Bekleidungswerke, or Behilfswerke?

Also both messkits and canteens were still needed, so why only attachements for one of those?

The messkit could be worn on the A-frame or in the backpack. On photo's you'll see most of the time only the canteens on the breadbag.

I like to hear more opinions.

[Gran Sasso]

BW= Bekleidungswerke, or Behilfswerke?

No, Buchenwald.

For more opinions, I would recommend to post it at the equipment forum.

[mgschutze]

No, Buchenwald.

For more opinions, I would recommend to post it at the equipment forum.

> I don't see your Buchenwald?

The SS-Bekleidungswerke (SS-BW) did start up earlier, in 1939-40, and was making clothing for the Waffen-SS. One reason that the Totenkopf and SS-Polizei-Division used so many Army issue uniforms early on is because when they were building in 1940, the fledgling SS-BW couldn't keep up with the demand. So the SS-BW was around, but like Martin said, the stencil itself probably wasn't used until 1943. Probably the same with the Ravensbruck stencil. And also be careful because there are many different fake styles of SS-BW stencils around and in use.

Bob

Hi Lorenz,
thank you very much! Yes, especialy the "italian" (lining or wool or both) tunics show the SS-BW stamps often....these tunics were from 43-44 I think...of course others than those have the stamps too! Among these also camo uniforms....You are right that during and especialy after 44 the SS-BW stamps seems to be less common....

But the "Bekleidungswerke" system with the head store in Dachau was set up earlier than that I believe...this is why I wonder if there are any items stamped with "SS-BW" before 43...

So far I agree 100% with you since I have not yet encountered a piece that was made before 43 with this particular stamp.

Thanks Lorenz!!

Fritz

[Nick_C]

SS-BW is indeed SS-Bekleidungswerke, and not Buchenwald.

"Clothing produced at Dachau or subsidiary camps usually bore the stamping "SS-BW" (SS-Bekleidungswerke), or in case in the of Betriebe (factory) Ravensbrück "Betr. Ra"."
Source: Uniforms of the Waffen SS by M. Beavor volume 1 page 22.

[Sayle F]

Ssbw

No, Buchenwald.

For more opinions, I would recommend to post it at the equipment forum.

This is how bad info is spread I am afraid SSBW is SS-Bekleidungswerke.

[mgschutze]

Gents, thank you for explaining the right info


And is there maybe someone with some knowledge about my breadbag.
I've had two of these breadbags years ago. They came from an adres with normaly nice original stuff. But they could make a failure too. It looks like a late breadbag, maybe 1945 production.