ss Officer Panzer tunic + trousers

[Felix]

Im not giving any judgement on the tunic but that sleeve eagle looks like a nice and well worn bullion sleeve eagle aka "Karl Wolff" style.

[Luca Ongaro]

that sleeve eagle looks like a nice and well worn bullion sleeve eagle aka "Karl Wolff" style.

Agree and seems there from pre May 1945.
Maybe close ups in day light can help, to see better materials.
Can you show us buttons and other details?
Luca

[Glenn McInnes]

wear around the collar patches I find quite convincing.

Ian.

The wear on these fakes are always the same,including Heer examples. Have yet to see one that was not well worn.





Glenn

[NickG]

explain this

explain this... LAPELS DON'T MATCH... and collar look undersized...

[Leroy]

Is this a Janke version?

[GD/LW]

Very well noticed Nick, congratulations !! I would never buy this tunic. Sorry but to me fake as hell. I do have my doubt of the eagle. That might be a good one. Has been hand applied to the tunic. Jesus, putting an original eagle on a fake tunic ??!!

[Massimo F.]

to the less experienced collector like me insignas are the first things inspected if they are original we mostly tend superficially to pass over tunic construction and fabric ... mainly because of the thrill to have a chance to get an original SS Panzer wrap at a "cheaper" price and obviously because many of us didn't have the opportunity to look at an original piece in person... that's how the bait is set... but when it comes to examine tailoring details here comes the experienced collector wich doesn't stop to the insigna details only and can escape the trap.... by deeper understanding of the subject...

[Johnny R]

set

I do not like the construction of the set, the pants and lapel cut, or the materials used. Wear is very easy to fake as is fading or ghosts. Puting an original insignia eagle on there is a small sacrifice for the potential gain of the faker given what this could be sold for. This is an old trick and as noted by Krieg 777 and an effective one. Most people can spot fake insignia but do not know the clothing items and construction etc. That said some of the insignia coming out now is very very good. I am a lot less confident now on anything. IMO this set is a repro dating to the mid/late 1980s I remember uniforms like this being sold by German dealers (e.g., Wolfram Diebel) circa 1986.

[Panzer Rob]

explain this... LAPELS DON'T MATCH... and collar look undersized...

Spot on, Nick


I believe this jacket to be a post-war reproduction. The eagle might very well be authentic (can we see a shot straight on?) but the jacket isn't. The officer piping looks to be applied recently (and crudely) and the lining appears on known reproductions.

Hopefully you will remove the shoulder boards and eagle, and destroy the wrap and pants. It would be a shame to see these re-appear down the road...

Mr. Hodgson raises some very good points. When you see a SS Panzer wrap with what appears to be authentic insignia, and award loops for a DKiG, etc., you need to proceed with extreme caution and examine the materials and construction of the wrap itself. Unfortunately, authentic looking wear and insignia shadows are no longer worth using to help justify a decision, because fakers have gotten both of those down very good. The answer lies in the physical construction and materials of the actual wrap, and without the proper knowledge of these, one can be easily fooled by what the insignia and award loops are trying to disguise.

Hopefully nobody will be fooled with this one. Do the right thing.

Rob

[Bobwirtz]

If the insignia is good, strip it off and sell the uniform to a reenactor and get some of your money back out of it. That is not to say that it won't show back up at some time, but perhaps then it will have reproduction (reenactment) insignia on it and much easier to eliminate as authentic.

Bob

[jacquesf]

Maybe he transferred from the Heer to the SS and kept one lapel, or maybe the tunic lapel got damaged in combat and he replaced one. That would would make sense as the collar tabs were shot off at the same time. You guys must remember it was war out there and **** happened. Jacques. Ps maybe it is just a bad fake.

explain this... LAPELS DON'T MATCH... and collar look undersized...

[mel]

I am closely following the remarks and discussions. It really shows how the WAF could save a lot of money otherwise waisted....

Enclosed some more pics.

[mel]

the buttons + holes as asked for

[mel]

The lapels are identical; in the previous pictures they looked un-equal, probably due to the angle of the pic taken.

[mel]

back of the collar