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It needs to have a rzm tag under the sweatband and an inked stamped rzm on the underside of the visor. He didn't bother showing them so my guess is it doesn't have them so I'd say no good. -
Thanks for your reply. The seller states that it is a pre RZM period (1933-34) visor.Originally posted by Banzi64 View PostComment
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I don't think so. Someone correct me if I am wrong but the pre RZM caps did not have the ribbed cap band.Originally posted by JG 51 View PostComment
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The earlier caps look more like collar tab wool with no ribbing. However, pictures of the inside are MANDATORY for accessment. It's entirely possible (though improbable) the RZM tag is removed. I've seen this early type skull insignia on kepis, but I've NEVER seen a distinguishable photo of it worn on a peaked cap, especially on a later one like this appears to be. If the cap is real, the more standard early SS insignia would have been my choice if restoring. My early visor cap is the un-ribbed wool, and was originally stripped of insignia, chinstrap, and RZM tag. You can see where it used to be. Tell him to send photos of INSIDE!!Comment
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there is plenty of photos there, klick the arrow....Comment
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1. Is the inside top oilcloth, or fabric?
2. Is the sweat diamond hard and brittle, or soft?
3. Can you see where an RZM tag USED to be?
4. The insignia look authentic, but you usually see a later style skull on this type cap.
5. I don't like the chinstrap.. It looks like it has a grain.
6. Does the top of visor have crazing, like old china?
Not sure what to think. The shape almost appears too perfect or something.
I may be wrong. Anyone else?
Oh, I forgot, the underside of visor should be RZM stamped in black .Comment
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The cap
From the photos, everything about this cap seems to indicate that it is period made. There appears to be an RZM tag sticking out from under the sweat band in photo number 8, but then why isn't it shown if it is actually there?? This hat does appear to have all of the characteristics of the fully marked RZM hats, but yet there are no marks which is really odd, I must say. Actually, the fact that it is devoid of markings leads me to believe that it may be real, as fake hats proudly display all the fake markings. I really like the teleform look and the construction also. There is an oil cloth top and cotton sides. The cap strap is totally real. The insignia could be replacements as these are easier to find as you know. The down side is few collectors would find this hat desirable because it is so plain.Originally posted by JG 51 View Post
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To be honest with you I don’t have the best vibe with this one, not at all. Something is a miss. No markings and an early tellerform shape but a ribbed cap band & trikot cap. Actually the shape is somewhat in-between an early one and an RZM piece. Also if this is just an unmarked RZM piece (which I have never heard of nor seen in a contract cap) why are there no holes for the later bird? Too many questions for me.Comment
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You are right, from pics you can't say god or bad. Just a lot of questions.Originally posted by Peter Manzie View PostComment
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The cap
Is there a chance this is a Hussar regiment cap that was made into, or used later by the SS? Just a thought.Originally posted by NTZ View Post
PeterComment
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I know price should not enter into the equation but this dealer doesn’t exactly give stuff away. Doesn’t anyone find $3,200 pretty low for as he describes a textbook piece?Comment
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The price
Actually, I find the price par or maybe a little high for what is has to offer.Originally posted by NTZ View Post
PeterComment
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Thanks a million guys, I´ll pass on this oneComment
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