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    #1

    Himmler's Ceremony Ribbon Bar

    Was Himmler awarded all of these awards?:
    12 years SS Long Service medal
    NSDAP 15 years medal
    NSDAP 10 years medal
    Olympic Medal
    Luftshulz medal 1st Class
    Walfare Medal 1st Class
    Austria Medal 1938
    Czech Medal with Prague Bar
    Memel Medal
    West Wall Medal

    Did I leave any out or add any? If so which ones did he wear on his ceremony ribbon bar? I have seen a pic of his actual ribbon bar(GFM batton site) but it ended at the West wall medal. Wasnt sure if that was an early ribbon bar of his that he never updated. Thanks
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    This looks complete to me.

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      #3
      Here is a black and white photo of Himmler's medal bar.



      Looks like these three are missing from the bar... I don't know why the ribbon bar would be different than the medal bar:

      Olympic Medal
      Luftschutz Medal 1st Class
      Welfare Medal 1st Class

      Bob

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        #4
        Originally posted by Bobwirtz View Post
        Here is a black and white photo of Himmler's medal bar.



        Looks like these three are missing from the bar... I don't know why the ribbon bar would be different than the medal bar:

        Olympic Medal
        Luftschutz Medal 1st Class
        Welfare Medal 1st Class

        Bob

        Thats the same pic I saw. Did he just never include those medals on his ceremony ribbon bar but just had them on his regular ribbon bar?

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          #5
          not bad for a guy that never fought, it reminds me of a certain prince charles,,,,ooopps ,got to go,, the towers awaiting

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            #6
            Yes, but did Prince Charles ever have the opportunity to fight? When you get these long periods where your country is not actively engaged in military action, you might just miss out all together, or by the time something does come around, you're too old to participate in a combat role.

            In the U.S. there has been a long time between the end of Vietnam and the start of the first Iraqi war, and then it was over in no time at all... even the second one although the guerilla warfare still drags on.

            I'd give him the benefit of the doubt but perhaps you know far more than I about him.

            Bob

            PS: Your ribbon and medal bars should be the same. He might have had an additional medal bar to place under this one. And some medals had ribbons only, e.g. U.S. Navy & Marine Corp Combat Action, the unit citations (Presidential, Navy an Meriterious), etc. When wearing medals, these ribbons would be worn on the other side.

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              #7
              Originally posted by Bobwirtz View Post
              Yes, but did Prince Charles ever have the opportunity to fight? When you get these long periods where your country is not actively engaged in military action, you might just miss out all together, or by the time something does come around, you're too old to participate in a combat role.

              In the U.S. there has been a long time between the end of Vietnam and the start of the first Iraqi war, and then it was over in no time at all... even the second one although the guerilla warfare still drags on.

              I'd give him the benefit of the doubt but perhaps you know far more than I about him.

              Bob

              PS: Your ribbon and medal bars should be the same. He might have had an additional medal bar to place under this one. And some medals had ribbons only, e.g. U.S. Navy & Marine Corp Combat Action, the unit citations (Presidential, Navy an Meriterious), etc. When wearing medals, these ribbons would be worn on the other side.

              Interesting answer there Bob, and if I might add, quite logical. I understand that HH 'was in at the end' and therefore of course had no opportunity to recieve any prestigious awards. It is often remarked upon that HH felt embarassed about this amongst his medal festooned colleagues, however I dont really believe this to be true. I imagine he felt that his 'Blood Order' was worth a hundred PLM's.
              It is certainly true that AH was more than happy to award all his loyal soldiers and colleagues with awards and decorations, quite a few of which he designed himself, however, I dont agree with those that maintain that he did this so that he would stand out as a 'humble soldier' with his two imperial decorations. I believe it to be the case that he really was not interested in these for himself, and his simple uniform and lifestyle reflected the rather frugal, plain living 'man of the people' that he was, unintentionally.

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                #8
                Originally posted by ivan1979 View Post
                12 years SS Long Service medal
                NSDAP 15 years medal
                NSDAP 10 years medal
                Olympic Medal
                Luftshulz medal 1st Class
                Walfare Medal 1st Class
                Austria Medal 1938
                Czech Medal with Prague Bar
                Memel Medal
                West Wall Medal
                + Blood Order Medal.

                Image:



                Best regards,

                Ricardo.
                Last edited by Mooyman; 01-06-2008, 08:45 PM.

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                  #9
                  I believe that Hitler forbade Himmler to decorate himself with medals. These guys were combat heroes anyway and even the common man in the street knew that... so if Hitler, et al, would have awarded these medals to themselves, they might be rather embarassed, or foolish. And even though Himmler was commander-in-chief of the Vistula for a time, he was mostly on sick leave because he didn't know the first thing about running a front.

                  There was one SS general in one of my books who was not a combat veteran; however, when he was promoted to SS-Gruppenfuhrer, he was assigned as a commander of a Corps. He knew that he would probably get a lot of German soldiers killed if he took the position and tried to bluff he way through. Understanding his limitations, he got an Army Lieutenant-General to come and take his place. Now that's a guy I have respect for!

                  Bob

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                    #10
                    Thats the first time that I have heard that AH forbade HH the 'right' to awards, I certainly dont doubt your info Bob, but what makes you draw that conclusion?
                    Also, H. Goering 'gave' HH the Observers with brilliants (Correct me if I am wrong on the award). Did HH take part in any early Luft activity or training, or was it purely honourary?
                    Wonder why HH never recieved the War Merits Cross Knights Cross, or did he? I seem to recollect a picture of him wearing this? Of course, if he didnt, this would certainly fit what you were saying earlier.

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                      #11
                      I read it somewhere amongst my books in my library...

                      Bob

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                        #12
                        What happened to Himmlers awards? Anyone got them on the forum?

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                          #13
                          A few years ago I saw Himmler's medal bar. Hardin-Wolfe had it at a MAX Show before they moved out of Monroeville and took the show on the road. I haven't a clue as to owns it now. It was an impressive piece.

                          Bob

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                            #14
                            The cased medal bar of Himmler's was taken from his safe, along with a cased L/12 Iron Cross 2nd Class and a cased German Order with Oak wreath and swords and the famous damascus honor dagger that had a dedication from Franz X. Schwarz. Himmler was not awarded the Iron Cross or German order, but coveted the awards.

                            The cased medal bar was sold, by Dr, Edward P. Rich, back in the 1970s to a friend in New Mexico, where it still resides today.

                            Bob Hritz
                            In the land of the blind, the one eyed man is king.

                            Duct tape can't fix stupid, but it can muffle the sound.

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