I just looked at all the pics again. I don't care what anyone says. IMHO this tunic is a full on reproduction.
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Well I do not like it at all. We may be looking at the new die struck fake LAH Cyphers I have been hearing about for a year. The only thing I would like is an angled close-up on those very interesting Cyphers.Comment
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Hi Nick,Originally posted by NTZ View Post
is what I have tried to said in my first post..............the tunic's cloth looks very strange for an original WW2 tunic!
Now.......IMHO the eagle is a copy and from the posted pics I don't like also the other insignias but I would like to see better pics.Comment
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Sorry, I missed that.Originally posted by Francesco View Post
You are right though; even the sheen of the material is off. Take a look at the dagger hanger slit. It is machine sewn around the edges. I have never, ever seen any period tunic with the dagger hanger slit finished with a machine. They are all hand sewn. Usually with some form of backing material. The button holes also look nothing like period ones too.
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The gabardine material looks like a material used on many lightweight tunics during the time.
"They are all hand sewn. Usually with some form of backing material."
You are wrong NTZ here is a machine stitched dagger slit for you made from brown leather. Stick to caps.
Was this tunic "found" in Italy ?Comment
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John you are talking about a modified tunic or summer tunic. Apples and oranges. This is a tailor made private purchase tunic. The lips are machine done but the lining edges are always tacked down around the edge with hand stitching. Show me one private purchase officers tunic that has the lining around the dagger slit machine stitched. Same goes for the lining itself. The lining may be pieced togeather with machine stitching but the edges are always hand stitched. John I respect your knowllege in SS materials but I know my officers tunics too. I don't just collect visors.Originally posted by John Pic View Post
Now if you will kindly show me an officers tailor made private purchase with the lining machine stitched around the slit I will gladly shut up. If you are arguing that the tunic might be period I will put some money on it. Maybe the owner will let you look at it.
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Dont ask because one time you might see it and I will be there.You should've learned by now there are no absolutes in this hobby.I didnt say this tunic was period but I am saying all your reasons for why it isnt so far are hogwash,poppycock,balderdash,falderal and alot of hot air mixed. I highly doubt its authenticity simply because of what it is not because of the materials which so far are consistant with period materials.I like Francesco's reasoning much better the insignias tell you more,although that eagle is well done and on an unterlagen just like the real deal so its either an old fake or foreign made.
The Collar is hand stitched onto the uniform from a distance the liner also appears to be, the Dagger slit may be hand stiched it doesnt look machined to me but its hard to tel with that picture.
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We we agree on that but back to what I said. It is just how they made them I can't change that. This is about as close as you will get to machine stitching. The edges are still hand tacked along with the edges of the lining.Originally posted by John Pic View PostDont ask because one time you might see it and I will be there.You should've learned by now there are no absolutes in this hobby.I didnt say this tunic was period but I am saying all your reasons for why it isnt so far are hogwash,poppycock,balderdash,falderal and alot of hot air mixed. I highly doubt its authenticity simply because of what it is not because of the materials which so far are consistant with period materials.I like Francesco's reasoning much better the insignias tell you more,although that eagle is well done and on an unterlagen just like the real deal so its either an old fake or foreign made.
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Nick you cant base an opinion on a few tunics even five or six. Ive seen all manner of Dagger slit additions machine and otherwise I just have to track down pics.Ive seen huge triagular pieces of cloth folded and sewn down by machine to form a slit.
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That is funny because the 23 tunics sitting 10ft away from me are all hand done. Along with all the tunics I used to own and have examined. We are not talking about and period modifications. What I am saying is that the tailors hand sewn in the linings. All the finish work is hand done. Yes you might find one or two that someone maybe had reinforced or had a dagger slit added but for the most part the finish work on a lining was hand done. My point is simple. On these Janke made tunics and who ever else makes these post war they don’t take the time to do the hand work. You will find most of it machine done.Comment
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In the manner as the tunic that started this thread?
So Im assuming now that since you have 23 officer tunics youre the last word?
I dont disagree that hand finshing was the norm I only state that using that as a way of determining authenticity is NONSENSE but if you like nonsense to dictate what is real and what isnt...please I bow to your expertise.Comment
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By the way Ive handled numerous Janke tunics some made back in the 70s complete with hand finishings. The later ones had lining material that lined the entire inside including inside the cuffs,the sleeves had stripes but always the same both for Heer and SS cut.The material shown could have been made anywhere between the 1940s and now who knows Ive seen very similar material used on light weight officer tunics.
Be careful with statements that hand stitching isnt done post war because if that is true then many of the tunics accused of being fake by forum gurus sold by the "Hamburg mafia" are all hand finished,Ive examined several,all perfect..so they must be real.Comment
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John let me try and convey my point another way. If 99 out of 100 period tunics have all of the finish work hand done (although it is probably more like 99.9 out of 100) and 99 out of 100 fakes take a short cut and machine everything I would say that it is a valid red flag don’t you? Now combine an already doggy tunic with that red flag and it’s a done deal. As you said there are no absolutes but there are some things that are pretty damm close. I am not the one that came roaring in with a modified tunic to show off and make the comment “stick to caps”, you did. Yes visors are my passion but I also love my Heer officers tunics. And again as you said there is no difference between Heer officers tunics and SS so I say I was just as qualified as anyone to make a comment in this thread.Originally posted by John Pic View PostComment
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"I don't care what anyone says. IMHO this tunic is a full on reproduction."
And I say no one is because they havent held it and examined it,you are willing to toss the mans collection down the toilet and you never even looked at it beyond pictures sent over the net. Youre the only one saying it is an out right Fake so youre the only one I will ask to show exactly why it is? So far we just have a "machine" (maybe) stitched dagger slot.The Rest appears hand sewn to me.Comment
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