"Pink" smock or not?

[Patty D]

Lets also (again!) not forget the other stamps. The red circle and green triangle.

They were found without the film stamp in the dot trousers. That's quite a key point IMO.

Regarding the "ethnic cleansing" and the removal of that name from their films, is that also why the stamps are defaced/cut out?

[90th Light]

Excellent Chris,
So there definitely was a Minsk-Film studio in 1947.
Interesting.
Mark

I am not at all sure Mark,

The name "BELARUSFILM MINSK" seems to come into use in 1947 but I can not clearly find out why.

Also I am trying to work out when this film company got up and going after the Germans were gone ? was it 1944, 45 or 46 ?

They might even have been making underground propoganda when the Ghetto in Minsk was in use by the Germans during their occupation.

This is why I would like to see their film/ documentary opening titles for the late 1945, 1946 and early 1947.

Nothing definite yet, but it creates questions about exactly what did go on there in the late 1940's

Chris

p.s. I note that in post number 1637, DP wrote "Below are two screenshots of the same newsreel series "Soviet Belorussia" ("Советская Белорусь") which were made in 1946 and 1947. Note that the name of the company that originally has been making it ("Studio of Newsreels") is completely gone from captions. It is now BelarusFilm that makes the newsreel series "Soviet Belorussia".
Some confusion can occur as in the 1946 screenshot the name of movie company (@left-hand) and the name of the newsreel series are the same "Soviet Belorussia"("Советская Белорусь") - it is because the official name of the BelarusFilm company prior 1946 was the same as the newsreel they start to make "Soviet Belorussia"(@right-hand). Note in the 1947 screenshot the company is listed as BelarusFilm.

May be this is why there is no name of the film company on the newsreel screenshot because it has been removed for reasons of political correctness in line with CCCP policy for that studio during 1947 ?

[Thälmannpionier]

It really gets boring guys.....shouldnt the thread be moved somewhere quiet where you 5-7 believers can discuss this over and over again.
And if you finally have some hard proof you let us know.
I mean DP is trying hard to work with you and stated that the museum never heard of minsk film etc and a few posts later i read " so there was definitley a Minsk Film" hello!? Are you guys only read the posts you want to read?! ...and after that it goes down to: yeah but IF it COULD have MAY WOULD...over and over again....since a good week now i check out this thread daily and nothing really came to light...nothing except more and more ifs, may and would's...what else?! Sorry

[NZMark]

Andreas,
Did you miss Chris's post which clearly contradicts DP's or did you simply skip it?

[Disco Partisan]

Thanks DP for taking the time to do that. The following information that I have found out is very heavy. Is there any chance they might know what happen in the year 1947 ?



"The period between 1948 and 1953 is designated the "black years" for Soviet Jewry. Campaigns against so-called Jewish-bourgeois nationalism and "rootless cosmopolitanism" were felt particularly in the cultural realm. In January 1948, on Stalin's order, Salomon }{\f16\fs24\cf2 Michoels, First Director of the Moscow Jewish Theater, and Chairman of the Jewish Antifascist Committee of the USSR, was secretly murdered during his visit in Minsk. Michoels was buried in Moscow with great honors, but already in fall 1948, he was denounced as a Jewish nationalist. At the same time, the Jewish Antifascist Committee was dissolved, its members arrested and tried. Yiddish, the last legal form of Jewish life, was prohibited.

Anti-Jewish agitation was supported through the decisions of the 19th congress of the Communist Party of the Republic in February 1949. In consequence, all Jewish institutions and periodicals, Yiddish publishers and artists' unions were dissolved. The State Academy Theater for Opera and Ballet of the BSSR was accused of propagating bourgeois morality. Victims of this campaign were, among others, Konstantin Muler (First Ballet Master), Lev Litvinov (First Director of the Belarussian Janka Kupala Academy Theater), folklorist Lev Barag, literary critic Jakov Gerzovich, as well as theater critic Michail Model. The Belarussian State Jewish Theater, BelGOSET (Belorusskii Gossudarstvennii Ievreiskii Teatr), was declared the center for Jewish nationalism and cosmopolitanism. Its First Director, Michail Rafalskii, founder and soul of the theater, was arrested and convicted. He died in prison. The theater itself was closed March 1949 on order of the Counsel of Ministers of the BSSR (41).

The art of film was not spared anti-Jewish measures. It had been intended for the role of strengthening Soviet patriotism, unveiling the meaninglessness of bourgeois life styles, and unmasking the aggressive tendencies of Imperialism. Jews were accused of wanting to exercise an "alien" Western influence on views, inimical to these ends. In late 1947 the Minister for Cinematography of the BSSR, Nikolai Sadkovich, lodged complaints with the Central Committee of the CPB, according to which, a series of former Jewish employees at MINSKFILM later BELARUSFILM MINSK was hindering the employment of Belarussian national cadres. He asked that Belarussian cinematography be cleansed of so-called malingerers and charlatans, the firing of directors like Natan Lyubo****s, Iosif Shulman, Nikolai Gastelowitz and Iosef Vainerowitz, and their replacement with politically immaculate personnel. Traditionally, there had been many Jews working at BELARUSFILM MINSK as well as at other film studios in the country, like MOSFILM, LENFILM, DOVZHENKO or GORKII-Studio. To push out the Jews, Belarussians were hired without regard to their qualifications. Belarussian artists were preferred over Jewish artists, background music was written only by Belarussian composers like Yevgenii Tikozkii or Anatolii Bogatirev. Scripts and texts for documentaries were from then on almost all exclusively by Belarussian writers like Vyasheslav Polesskii, Pimen Panchenko, Konstantin Gubarevich, Pavel Kovalev or Makar Poseldovich. Since primarily Belarussian synchronized editions were produced, the level of Belarussian film sank rapidly."



It would appear from this that there was ethnic cleansing going on at "BELARUSFILM MINSK" in 1947. Could the name "Minsk-Film" have existed in the years 1946 to 47 and been removed from the record as a result of this ?

What films were made in 1946 at BELARUSFILM MINSK, may be they show the name Minsk-Film which fell quickly from grace because of the Jewish connection and thus was removed from the studio. Is the name "BELARUSFILM MINSK", the CCCP restamping its communist nationalist mark back on that film company ?

There seems to be a lot here that we do not know,

Chris

Chris, it was not a good idea (but very childish attempt) to edit the original text (and add the "Minsk-film") in the article :

http://www.jewishgen.org/Belarus/new...nstruction.htm

[jimt]

old news

It really gets boring guys.....shouldnt the thread be moved somewhere quiet where you 5-7 believers can discuss this over and over again.
And if you finally have some hard proof you let us know.
I mean DP is trying hard to work with you and stated that the museum never heard of minsk film etc and a few posts later i read " so there was definitley a Minsk Film" hello!? Are you guys only read the posts you want to read?! ...and after that it goes down to: yeah but IF it COULD have MAY WOULD...over and over again....since a good week now i check out this thread daily and nothing really came to light...nothing except more and more ifs, may and would's...what else?! Sorry

FINALLY ....... SOMETHING OF SUBSTANCE . Give it a break already .

[jacquesf]

It really gets boring guys.....shouldnt the thread be moved somewhere quiet where you 5-7 believers can discuss this over and over again.
And if you finally have some hard proof you let us know.
I mean DP is trying hard to work with you and stated that the museum never heard of minsk film etc and a few posts later i read " so there was definitley a Minsk Film" hello!? Are you guys only read the posts you want to read?! ...and after that it goes down to: yeah but IF it COULD have MAY WOULD...over and over again....since a good week now i check out this thread daily and nothing really came to light...nothing except more and more ifs, may and would's...what else?! Sorry

[jacquesf]

Chris, it was not a good idea (but very childish attempt) to edit the original text (and add the "Minsk-film") in the article :

http://www.jewishgen.org/Belarus/new...nstruction.htm

[RobertE]

Well, I for one am giving it a break for Christmas - Merry Christmas, everybody. I hope you all have a peaceful New Year.

s/f Robert

[90th Light]

[QUOTE=Disco Partisan;7210714]Chris, it was not a good idea (but very childish attempt) to edit the original text (and add the "Minsk-film") in the article :


Interesting,

well, that is how it was sent to me in an email which was replying to one I sent asking for information explaining what went on with the Film company in the period 1945 to 1950.

The point was also made as to why would they have a documentary called "Soviet News" made by a company called "Soviet News" in 1946 ?

Also if they are called "Minsk Studio of Newsreels" before the German invasion and they are involved in the resistance of the invasion during the time of the "Minsk Ghetto". then was "Minsk" the name used in 1946 that the USSR decided to stamp out ?

1947 seems to have been anything but a regular year at that USSR film company. In fact more of a very frightening year of change and Stalin's way.

This is how it was put to me as the question to ask here,

Chris

[Glenn McInnes]

It really gets boring guys.....shouldnt the thread be moved somewhere quiet where you 5-7 believers can discuss this over and over again.
And if you finally have some hard proof you let us know.
I mean DP is trying hard to work with you and stated that the museum never heard of minsk film etc and a few posts later i read " so there was definitley a Minsk Film" hello!? Are you guys only read the posts you want to read?! ...and after that it goes down to: yeah but IF it COULD have MAY WOULD...over and over again....since a good week now i check out this thread daily and nothing really came to light...nothing except more and more ifs, may and would's...what else?! Sorry

Agree 100%...And now we have "90th Light" forging documents to further try and prove his case,what a joke.


I am going to close this one now,enough is enough.


Best wishes over the Holidays.


Glenn