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    Look, I was just throwing out a possibility and if you don't want to listen or believe that is your call.

    Don, you don't need to lecture me about how things were done before the internet as I have been involved in the hobby for a long time also.

    RobertE, I don't know you at all, but I think you are wearing rose colored glasses on the subject of copies. True fakers think many steps ahead of the collector market. This is in all antique & collectibles business not just militaria.

    This was just a thought to throw out there, if you don't want have an open mind that is your choice, but understand fakery has been around for a long time and a true faker who is going to have a plan doesn't just look at what's in front of his face, they look way further down the line. That is why the make money and go undetected for years.

    Also, by the way, in case you missed it, the above story I told about the Vietnam patches was way before the internet also and went on for many years. The collectors / dealers that were in the "know" explained and warned everyone that the pieces were fake, but no one wanted to listen. You know why? Because when the dealers that sold real items were selling these type patches for $100+, the fakes were selling for $25-$35.00 each. And in typical short sighted fashion, people bought them like crazy because of greed. I recently had to tell a family of a deceased collector, who brought in 30 plus binders of these patches with their COA's, the the collection was worthless and that everything was fake. This devastated them as they were sure they were sitting on a gold mine as dear old dad had spent $30,000.00 + building this collection.
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      Originally posted by Bob Chatt View Post
      Look, I was just throwing out a possibility and if you don't want to listen or believe that is your call.

      Don, you don't need to lecture me about how things were done before the internet as I have been involved in the hobby for a long time also.

      .
      Hi Bob, I wasn't lecturing you at all, just giving my opinion in response to yours. I have an open mind that's why I disagreed with your comments .
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        I had an interesting chat with Ray Zyla today . He told me that he had found in Czechoslovakia in 1968 a warehouse full of captured German material . He said there were so many bales of SS smocks (with the paper labels still on them!) they were walking on them. Before they could close a deal the Russians invaded and they had to get out. When they followed up on it after the dust settled it had all been removed. What kind of smocks, who knows but there were bales of them.

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          Originally posted by nutmeg View Post
          I had an interesting chat with Ray Zyla today . He told me that he had found in Czechoslovakia in 1968 a warehouse full of captured German material . He said there were so many bales of SS smocks (with the paper labels still on them!) they were walking on them. Before they could close a deal the Russians invaded and they had to get out. When they followed up on it after the dust settled it had all been removed. What kind of smocks, who knows but there were bales of them.
          That's a name that I have not heard in several years at least. I met Ray for the first time while in Germany about 6 months after buying my smock. I can not recall if we discussed them or not.

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            Originally posted by kammo man View Post
            SS cammo jackets are also perfect for fighting in Africa on the brown side.
            And guess what some were used.
            But does that prove anything ?
            I think you are confused on this point Owen,

            SS smocks were not worn in Africa to the best of my knowledge.

            They were worn in Sicily in 43 by the HG and in Italy, also by SS & Pol. units in Italy 43-45 but not Africa.

            However, if you have evidence/ photos of them being worn in Tunisia by say HG then I would appreciate seeing it.

            Sometimes it is amazing what else is found out on a thread like this such as the Nick's Warsaw up-rising photos, and the HBT Oak smock from Warsaw,

            Chris

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              I think he is going in the direction of Biafra (??), there is an old post from eons ago with something about this if i recall.

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                Originally posted by pete View Post
                I think he is going in the direction of Biafra (??), there is an old post from eons ago with something about this if i recall.
                Thanks Pete,

                so they were worn during the civil war in Nigeria 1967-1970 ?

                Chris

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                  Comparing pocket bags...
                  Since the Pink smock pocket liners were questioned...

                  This is Shea's Plane tree (6) smock pocket details! (note horizontal line, is that a weave flaw? a coincidence?)

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                  Last edited by NickG; 12-21-2015, 04:29 PM.

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                    Now comparing it with the Polish Uprising "HBT" smock
                    Completely different camo smock, done in HBT material and the pocket liners are identical, = a standard!
                    so sure enough same appearance...a weave flaw? stitching? yellow arrow..or?
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                      Now the stinky pinky..mint + washed heavily with detergents to get the rodent pee out...
                      Does this add anything to the discussion? (also some horizontal lines in the material (weave flaw?)
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                        Pocket line on my Birch smock. Same on both pockets.
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                          Indeed! Interesting so also on the Pinky! So is that a seam...? stitching...
                          not a weave flaw...sure looks like it...
                          Frankly to me as a "non-connoisseur" these HBT "bags" don't really look that different at all...

                          I am just throwing it out there...Somewhere I read that bone stock German HBT should never exceed 6mm ("W")
                          and modern copies are often way wider like 8 or even 10mm...Now I don't know of that has to do with HBT in general (like uniforms) or just liners...
                          and on the opposite side HBT "fish bones" as the Germans call it...would be far less pronounced...less visible with the naked eye...Thoughts?
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                            Here's a real one from the ATF site...(different camo pattern..similar pocket bags)
                            Compare! No seam though...(maybe its just a weave flaw)...again I am no expert, just wanting to learn...
                            so some food for thought to discuss...

                            BLACK THREAD used in its assembly?
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                            Last edited by NickG; 12-21-2015, 05:39 PM.

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                              They are not that different, thickness is the same as well. Heavy washing just bought up the knap a bit.

                              I looked at it with a glass it's a line of stitching on both sides. My Planetree has the exact same line of stitching in the same place. I could only be sure with a glass as the stitching is really tight down in there on both.
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                                It's stitching , see my post below


                                Originally posted by NickG View Post
                                Indeed! Interesting so also on the Pinky! So is that a seam...? stitching...
                                not a weave flaw...sure looks like it...
                                Frankly to me as a "non-connoisseur" these HBT "bags" don't really look that different at all...

                                I am just throwing it out there...Somewhere I read that bone stock German HBT should never exceed 6mm ("W")
                                and modern copies are often way wider like 8 or even 10mm...Now I don't know of that has to do with HBT in general (like uniforms) or just liners...
                                and on the opposite side HBT "fish bones" as the Germans call it...would be far less pronounced...less visible with the naked eye...Thoughts?

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