"Pink" smock or not?

[kammo man]

Again a complete lack of facts, photos and detail on your part.

Go and show me where I have ever put up an item on any forum with a
COA or hidden behind the veil of a COA, claiming that was the reason that I believe something was real.

You can take any item in my collection and I will tell you detail by detail why it is good or why it is bad and that is a fact.

When I discuss something on this forum then I do it with "Facts" , "Photos" and "Details" to the point of being "verbose" to quote Mr Singer but never with COA's,

Get your facts and house in order before you accuse me. In fact some facts, photos and details from you would be nice, even that COA from Regimentals,

Chris

You need to develop a sense of humor.
Chill out young man.

[90th Light]

You need to develop a sense of humor.
Chill out young man.

You mean like this ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tAWwqKNI7g

It will bring a tear to a Kiwi's eye especially if he was round in the 1970's,

Chris

[kammo man]

If thats what floats boat.

[90th Light]

If thats what floats boat.

More like what gets the beers and the cheers flowing.

or sometimes even chairs flying,

Chris

p.s. play it to Peter Jackson and see if it does not bring a smile to his face.

[nutmeg]

Can we get the conversation back to smocks?

[phild]

They were suppose to have stopped putting soutache on German sidecaps by July 1942. Some makers were still putting them on in August 1942...... Fact !

Same with smocks, nothing to stop them being manufactured in the period January to March 1944 even April 1944 (even later ?) as production runs already started were finished off. The M44 camo drill tunic did not become official until March 1944..... Fact !

Chris

I agree with this.

I do not know what year of the war the Birch Smocks were made, but I suspect 1943. In a way it is a coward's guess because when the truth is found I can not likely be off more than a year or really 6 months either way!

I say 1943 because the crunch in raw material hit the SS system according to Pohl's reports in well into 1942 and were acute by the end of that year through 1943. By 1945 the Germans had vast stockpiles of material but little fuel and air protection to allow them to distribute it. The up side is that they did not have to contend with the vast distances they had to deal with from late 1941-mid 44.

[90th Light]

Can we get the conversation back to smocks?

Good point,

For years, we have been told that it was the HBT in the pockets of the "Pinks" that was the dead-giveaway of post war production. There was nothing like it in any known original SS smocks. Not even close.

Well ,the HBT pocket question is now solved. The Germans used more the one type and shade of colour in SS smocks. Identification of which type, comes down to what the ersatz blend of yarn the HBT is woven from.

And we have shown that the "Pink" is not actually pink at all, it is in fact red-brown "Birch" Forest

The stamp question is being researched as best we can

We await what Bob Hritz might find out from J.Floch

What else is left that has not been explained as pre-May 1945 ?

Chris

[salt*creek]

Good point,

the HBT pocket question is solved. The Germans used more the one type and shade of colour in SS smocks. Identification of which type, comes down to what the ersatz blend of yarn the HBT is woven from.

The stamp question is now being researched as best we can

We await what Bob Hritz might find out from J.Floch

What else is left that has not been explained as pre-May 1945 ?

Chris

God has spoken

[salt*creek]

just courios is this pink camo too? i have it on my files as real cloth,color look pink ?

Yes, this dot is fake...not pink. Real Dot on German HBT looks like this:

[NickG]

I didn't realize that. When did they stop production of them?

Technically the smocks were discontinued and replaced with M44 dot uniforms Spring 1944 but in reality they were worn until the very end.
When the production exactly stopped, I don't know...
Here Vistula Odor front January 1945...Brand new spotless smock worn by this officer candidate...Late HBT one?

[salt*creek]

No. Late 3/4
Just like the earlier photos on the thread. HBT smocks have only been found in oak and blurred edge which were roller printed.

[camouk]

Chris ,

Its fun when you post.

I posted a picture on the WAF of me wearing a PINK Clown FAKE jacket on a thread.
Its up to you to find it.

I am not going to wast time searching but you should.
Its a FUN picture.


Do you actually have a working knowledge of other SS Camouflage Pullovers or only the FAKE CLOWN PINK jackets ?

Cute!
http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...k+smock&page=6

[Disco Partisan]

Good point,

For years, we have been told that it was the HBT in the pockets of the "Pinks" that was the dead-giveaway of post war production. There was nothing like it in any known original SS smocks. Not even close.

Well ,the HBT pocket question is now solved. The Germans used more the one type and shade of colour in SS smocks. Identification of which type, comes down to what the ersatz blend of yarn the HBT is woven from.

And we have shown that the "Pink" is not actually pink at all, it is in fact red-brown "Birch" Forest

The stamp question is being researched as best we can

We await what Bob Hritz might find out from J.Floch

What else is left that has not been explained as pre-May 1945 ?

Chris

what else?
1. Added areas of the fantasy oak camo.
2. Fantasy movie-company name.

Can pink-smock enthusiasts post any other original example of Any camo pattern with added areas of non-standard camo pattern?

Also IMO the "Minsk-film" is a huge red flag as it has never been an official name of BelarusFilm company and all BelarusFilm items stamped with exactly this name - "Belarusfilm" ( as I showed before)

[David Fettes]

1. Added areas of the fantasy oak camo.

Possible print roller size difference

2. Fantasy movie-company name.

Yet to be proven

Can pink-smock enthusiasts post any other original example of Any camo pattern with added areas of non-standard camo pattern?

See photograph below

[90th Light]

what else?
1. Added areas of the fantasy oak camo.

Can pink-smock enthusiasts post any other original example of Any camo pattern with added areas of non-standard camo pattern?

How else are you suppose to go from a 35"/36" roller in size to a 39"roller ?

That is how you did it then and could do it now

The important thing is that the width is no longer than 39". The type of selvage on the cuffs from the ends confirms it is 1940's bolt of cloth.

Please explain to me, given every other indicator that has come up trumps on the "Birch" how this is a point of over-whelming and up-most evidence that they could be post war ?

And another thing, it is more than likely according to those who study textiles that the move to 39" size bolts of cloth happened in the late 1930's. The countries in that part of Europe would have been right up with that, before such developments were interrupted in 1941 for the USSR and all it controlled,

Chris