"Pink" smock or not?

[kammo man]

Used HB is different.


But the Pink HB is wrong.


The pink is still FAKE.

[kammo man]

Bravo!

Its good to see you 2 are on the same team and enjoy living in your small world of enjoying fakes.

Saying things like you don't care what I have seen and done is shortsighted.

Each to his own.

But like the Kelly Hicks fakes and the J F Pink smocks there will always be believers and blindness.

[nutmeg]

Its good to see you 2 are on the same team and enjoy living in your small world of enjoying fakes.

Saying things like you don't care what I have seen and done is shortsighted.

Each to his own.

But like the Kelly Hicks fakes and the J F Pink smocks there will always be believers and blindness.

One more time Owen , then I'm going to be seriously pissed with you. I'm kind of tired of you accusing Kelly Hicks of being a fake dealer. He believed the helmets were good along with Doug and all the major helmet collectors . He didn't make them . This is a hobby loaded with fakes and everyone in this makes mistakes, some big some small. I got stuck on one maybe two CR helmets and I'll have to live with it but I'm not going to cry about it or run around blaming any individuals. I'm sure you've bought a fake or three in your day.

I believe these smocks are real and you can shout"fake" all you want but it doesn't mean you are right , only that you have an opinion that is not open to any evidence to the contrary . Let's drop that topic and stick to the smocks.

[kammo man]

Feel what ever way you want.
While you are also at it go throw a hissy fit on the helmet section at everyone who got burnt by KH.
KH wrote COAs to FAKE SS camouflage helmet covers.
Fact.

I don't like fakes.
You obviously do.

And you can't bully me in any way FYI.

[nutmeg]

Sounds like you are getting frustrated at the mounting evidence you are wrong and trying to sidetrack the discussion.

[kammo man]

Not in the slightest.

If you had a working knowledge of SS camouflage you would see the error of your ways.

I am amused by your insights into the subject and Hobby.

[nutmeg]

Let's see how this plays out over the next few thousand posts.

[salt*creek]

My Birch smock just arrived from Chris (thanks!) . No question this smock has been strongly washed. In looking closely at the black stamp it also appears the date is 1947 as well. Here are the two pockets lined up the greener one is my planetree with the same film company stamps . Looks like the same HBT weave to me.

Now that you have this awesome specimen, do you want to sell that old, ugly plane tree pullover? I still like those.....

[kammo man]

I hope the PINK came with a COA.

[90th Light]

Easy to see the HB pockets are different.

The lighter Pink pocket is the fake HB cloth with the larger VV and its thicker to the hand.

The original is thiner and more drape to the hand.

Sorry to say Owen,

but your fake HBT argument has gone out the door and totally fallen off any form of brief, shakey, shallow foundation that it was based upon.

Thanks to the nutmeg buying the "Birch" smock off the estand and posting comparative images with his "Plane-Tree". Any difference that can be observed are because of the following manufacturing variations before May 1945;

1/ HBT fiber that it is made from "Cotton" is much tighter and "thinner" in feel and neater in appearance.

2/ HBT fibre made from "Rayon" is a whole different matter but is often found in that pattern with varying degrees of sheen.

3/ HBT fibre made from "Flax" ("Linen") is (thicker ?), raw, rough, semi-unfinished, ersatz & blended.

4/ HBT fibre made from blends involving 1&2, 1&3, 2&3, all three, other ersatz materials utilised.

The result, HBT "determined by the fiber that it is made from". Each type is different in "thickness, feel and look" from other types as the images in post numbers 1479 & 1458 illustrate.

My "Birch" ("Pink") smocks has HBT pockets of type 3/ or 4/ above and any washing has had an impact on them. However, I now wonder if the HBT in other "Birch" ("Pink") smock pockets used Type 1/ & 2/,

Chris

p.s. of course Owen, we would all welcome details of the "Fake HBT", photos of the "Fake HBT" and facts about why the you conclude that it is "Fake HBT"

[HAF]

just courios is this pink camo too? i have it on my files as real cloth,color look pink ?

[phild]

I hope the PINK came with a COA.

Would you issue (for a fee) a signed certificate stating that they are fake and guarantee same with your signature and a contract agreeing if proven original, you will pay the bearer say $5000?

Talk is cheap when you have nothing on the line.

[90th Light]

I hope the PINK came with a COA.

I have never ever seen a COA for a "Birch" smock.

On all the threads about these smocks ever posted on WAF, I have not ever seen one member who has said, I brought this at whatever price and this dealer gave me a COA with it. A COA is not the issue or what is being debated here.

Again please show me the facts, photos and details of what you keep claiming.

Surely you got one from "Regimentals" at the time ? Then show us. If not, give it a rest. You are not on the helmet forum and this is not a champagne SS rune on a helmet,

Chris

[90th Light]

just courios is this pink camo too? i have it on my files as real cloth,color look pink ?

Looks more "Pink" than the brick-red of the "Birch" smock

Also "Type1" or "Type2" HBT.

Thank you for posting,

Chris

[kammo man]

Chris ,

Its fun when you post.

I posted a picture on the WAF of me wearing a PINK Clown FAKE jacket on a thread.
Its up to you to find it.

I am not going to wast time searching but you should.
Its a FUN picture.


Do you actually have a working knowledge of other SS Camouflage Pullovers or only the FAKE CLOWN PINK jackets ?