Significance of Diebitsch No. 89 BLACK Kerzenhalter?

[John1919]

Gentlemen,

I had read several threads (on this forum and others) regarding the supposed significance of the Diebitsch No. 89 BLACK Kerzenhalter. I'm not sure if all the available information I've read is consistent and whether there is a consensus on this issue or not.

I have recently obtained one from a direct heir of a recipient (see attached photo in this post). The quality of the glazing on the bottom would imply to me that the piece might be late war. Accordingly, this would conflict with earlier stated opinions that the BLACK version of the Diebitsch No. 89 BLACK Kerzenhalter was simply the FIRST version of the No. 89.

Are they any other theories with regard to the significance of the BLACK versions of the No. 89? Were they awards or presentation pieces? What determined if you received a BLACk No. 89 vs. a WHITE No. 89 vs. a WHITE/GOLD No. 89?

Also, does anyone have a feeling for the market value of the black versions in mint condition?

Thank you for your opinions and comments,

John

[John1919]

Significance of Diebitsch No. 89 BLACK Kerzenhalter?

Additional photo

[John1919]

Significance of Diebitsch No. 89 BLACK Kerzenhalter?

One last photo

[Gary Wood]

John,
do you mind if i put these photo's in the Allach thread?
cheers
Gary