Hauptfeldwebel

[B. N. Singer]

Another picture

Outstanding Picture!

B. N. Singer

[Robert H]

super picture !

[willie777]

Just curious. From what source was the initial color photo taken? Perhaps a catalog for SS uniform reproductions?

Chris

http://flickr.com/photos/colonelkillgore/401029475/

[willie777]

Supposedly the officer chin cord along with silver piping around the collar tabs was authorized for SS-Standartenoberjunker equivalent Heer rank would be that of Oberfähnrich...

So this guy was a Standartenoberjunker assigned to a field SS unit for final evaluation and field examination, and while there, he was made the unit Stabsscharführer? Is this, even in theory, possible?

[napesica]

Spiess Rings and cuff titles

Having collected and viewed many original Spiess photos I can say without doubt that the Kolbenringe or Spiess rings were worn both above and below the cuff title and commonly with no cuff title at all.
Here is the only photo I have on my laptop, though a FG it shows the irngs above the title.

I'd assume just re-enactors. And anyways his Spiess rings are to high, they should be under the cufftitle.

[napesica]

SS Spiess

Ja,,,,,but rarely would a Spiess be up for that position/rank. Few Hptscha became officers.

Supposedly the officer chin cord along with silver piping around the collar tabs was authorized for SS-Standartenoberjunker equivalent Heer rank would be that of Oberfähnrich...

[Sturmmann]

And anyways his Spiess rings are to high, they should be under the cufftitle.

Not always.

Spiess from 3rd SS Brigade, later 20th SS Division (Estonian Nr.1).

[Lasse L]

Amazing picture! Could you please post the whole picture of the "Estland" cuff in wear?

[Sturmmann]

Amazing picture! Could you please post the whole picture of the "Estland" cuff in wear?

Here it is - SS-Oberscharführer Juhan Raagi in Debica (Poland) in 1943.



Here are some more photos of estonians in Debica - http://wehrmacht.wehrmacht.pri.ee/fotod/2/1/1.html

[Simon O.]

It's not quite true that a 'Spiess' was (at least not always) the senior NCO in a company\battery\squadron etc. From soldbucher and wehrpasses you can find examples of, for example, an unteroffizier being sent on a hauptfeldwebels course and getting accelerated promotion to feldwebel then oberfeldwebel.

To be honest i'm not sure how seniority worked in relation to the job hauptfeldwebel. Was a hauptfeldwebel with the rank of say feldwebel or oberfeldwebel senior to a stabsfeldwebel even though the rank was higher?

[Richard P]

Ja,,,,,but rarely would a Spiess be up for that position/rank. Few Hptscha became officers.

Napesica...Native American culture and dress, AND German WWII? Thanks for your dedication and contributions to history.

Richard

[chris235]

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I know them in the colour Picture, that is a Re-enactment Unit called SBG in England, they have done all sorts of film work...SVP etc...

[C. Betz]

Thread

The first picture of this thread was discussed at some length a few years ago. Once more, the individual under discussion in the first image is wearing the collar insignia of hauptschafuhrer, not SS-Standartenoberjunker. There is to repeat once again, no piping on the collar tab, therefore not SS-Standartenoberjunker. The reenactor has incorrectly worn an officer cap. So much for historical accuracy.


Thanks to all who posted the other pictures. Great images one and all.

Charles Betz

[TP Alexander]

??

Maybe he just grabbed the wrong hat off the rack!!!