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**Jack** · 05-30-2003, 08:09 PM

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**Mike C** · 05-30-2003, 08:37 PM

Hello,

My opinion (and I wait for the experts to dive in) - all bad. The HJ was never a BEVO cufftitle - it was bevo-like (a marked difference) and the image isn't it. The TK BEVO cufftitle looks like it is from the same stable so I would be concerned. The oberbayern TK looks bad in terms of the construction - especially the cross bones.

If these are all from the same source (3 extraordinarily rare cufftitles in pristince condition) - then I would be even more worried. Cheers,

Mike

**Greg Domian** · 05-30-2003, 10:21 PM

OK..here is my opinion...the HJ is bad as stated earlier..none that we know of...there are some that say it was done in bevo...I want to see it first hand. but they should only be done in Bevo-like. I dont like the skull band either..don't like how it looks. But, it is possible that the totenkopf is real..Uness you can look at the back you will not know for sure but looking at this title and the ones in Ulrics book on cufftitles..this does look like a real band..not the repro. If you can pull a few stichs..and check the back..go for it. But as has been said before..if all 3 showed up at once and for sale..I would suspect them big time.

Greg

**Jack** · 05-30-2003, 11:36 PM

Hello all yes the HJ cuff title is a dud.But the officer one has seven strands and the tot one is softer material than the HJ also the color of tot and border are grey color.Waiting to hear from a few other SS collectors .
Cheers Jack

**Peter B** · 05-31-2003, 12:15 AM

Hi Jack...

Hi Jack from Peter in Sydney - a fellow aussie cuff title collector.

I can only echo the comments made by others re. the HJ and TK titles - both are bad IMO.

Re. the Oberbayern despite what you say about it having the correct 7 strand border, I don't like the quality or composition of that skull however the pic you have posted isn't that great.

A genuine Oberbayern title is quite expensive so if this one is under $4-5KUS I would be even more suspect. Hope this helps.

**Tony Barto** · 05-31-2003, 10:29 AM

Jack;

Can you provide a straight on shot of the Totenkopf title like you did with the Hiterjugend?

**rkdek** · 05-31-2003, 03:27 PM

Hello Jack,

The Hitlerjugend ct is definately a fake, as already pointed out in the previous responses.

The Totenkopf ct is difficult to say, but the manufacture is close to the HJ ct.

For genuine examples of these ct's you can go the Display and Collections forum of this site; I listed pics of mine.

As for the 3rd ct, I cannot comment as this type of ct is not speciality.

Denis

**Greg Domian** · 05-31-2003, 05:56 PM

I am going to say I still think the jury is out on the Totenkopf. I have been looking at my file pictures of fake and real Tot's and there is just too many similarites this one has to the real ones. The only real verdict is to see the back of the band..otherwise we are just speculating. I would slip a few stiches and see for sure.

Greg

**Gary Wood** · 05-31-2003, 06:07 PM

I think greg is right here is a picture of what the back should look like
cheers,
Gary

**Gary Wood** · 05-31-2003, 06:08 PM

front of an original

**Greg Domian** · 05-31-2003, 06:26 PM

A few of the things I noticed that are similar..and you can compare them to Gary's pic is the arm of the "T" goes over the "o". The fakes I have seen the letters are spaced to far apart for this to occur and the arm barely reaches the "o". Also look at the foot of th"T" the right side is shorter than the left..same as in the original pic posted. I noticed that the fakes are evenly distributed. There arer other things but these are two of them.

Greg

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