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**Spongebob** · 07-09-2007, 04:33 PM

Ha Ha Ha Absolutly ridiculous

This is rediculous

Too find so much rare SS camo smocks was only possible til
the 50's and the early 60's and I don't know he would like
to have "found" it in bavaria,cause he's an dealer out of
Hamburg and bavaria is far away from Hamburg
all absolutly incredible for me!!!
And Ok if one would be in a good condition but all eight in a
good unworn condition,no way who believes that make self deception.

I know how garret found pieces look's like not so, here no mothholes,
not dirt no signs of age --->fake

Rare Militaria is so popular cause it's rare.

</FORM>I watched that site for an long time

,again and again Weitze
looking for some new explanation to offer some fakes,I would
say in his German WW2 Uniform category offer are 80% fakes

,I asked
frequent if I saw some items what could be real,I became too
often the answer : "found in czechoslovaky"or"at a farm in czech"

even there is the biggest faker industry in the czechoslovaky

and please every member who's interested in weitze's stuff
look out for the photos,you will see in 2 years suddely the same

pics twice even though the item is sold,for me out of my personal
sight very dubious!!!

I also saw an German WW1 Uniform was bought from Weitze at the
website Hermannhistorica and Oh,what a wonder an Uniform what
look's like as when someone tried to reproduce that hermanHistorica's
Uniform was offered a few week later
I came to the conviction that Weitze takes some original
stuff and try to reproduce it so good he can but that is not original!!!

Also Weitze was 2005 in court cause he offered stolen militaria
from an Ritterkreuztr******228;ger who became the victim of an robbery in
his own house.

At last I must say this man lives from rare Militaria and cause the militaria
out of WW1 and WW2 is so rare that dealer would do everything to
get money,if he wouldn't sell anythink he would be unemployed,

but it's an crimejob to palm fakes off on some poor collectors,Poo!!!

This is my honest opinion maybe some other's LOve weitze

but
for me he's an faker and I says that only out of my experience!

And everyone here could believe me I would rather live in world
without WW2 fakes where everything is an original and to
get this fakefree world everyone must trust in his own
experiences and don't buy from fakers cause
they will let it only be if they couldn't sell anything!!!

If that proceeds in this wise maybe in 30 years will exist nothing but fakes!!!

**Mark Edward C** · 07-09-2007, 05:09 PM

hbt smocks

Yes, I was told some were found (not impossible) but in average condition due to long improper storage wear-- bug/animal infestation and water "mold" damage...there was at least one nice one that has been purchased already... Further, I was told the others are all real but not in the best of condition, i.e. holes. I'll be looking at the nice one soon and I'll give you an opinion once I see it.

If good, it would be an opportunity for some as HBTs are hard to get in any condition...

Mark

**dblmed** · 07-09-2007, 06:47 PM

Believe the Item.... Not the Story... Dave

Again, I think this is an Illustration of Collector's School 101 Class:

Believe the Item........ be Skeptical of the Story...

"IF" the Camo Smocks 'pass' the test of the Skilled Eyes of Knowledgeable Collectors..... then it is a Great Story..

"IF" Not ....... just another Continuing Saga of Stories.... Dave ....dblmed

**besslein** · 07-09-2007, 06:54 PM

all smocks are original for sure

**Robert H** · 07-09-2007, 06:58 PM

I will not go into it if they are real or not, but I know a little bid the story of this find and got the offer for one or eight smocks over the phone line two weeks ago when I was Germany recently. For me it looks like Weitze bought them from a friend of mine in Bavaria, end of the Saga.
Germany is still the main source for me since I collect and there are collections of tunics out that somebody would not believe how large and piled they are.

**John Pic** · 07-09-2007, 08:46 PM

I would believe Robert I lived there for a while and knew a couple collectors. I will never forget the back storage room of an Antique shop located across from the Hauptbahnhoff in Giessen. Swords and Daggers of all kinds hung from the walls and cieling, and the floor had coffee cans in three rows filled with medals badges and decorations. I only had enough to buy two daggers and one coffee can full of EK2s. Those were the days !

**Matthew S.** · 07-10-2007, 09:51 AM

Can someone post a link so we can look at the items in question with our own eyes?

**Matthew S.** · 07-10-2007, 09:52 AM

Heil Sponge Bob!

**Spongebob** · 07-10-2007, 04:42 PM

Here is the Link

Here is the Link: http://www.Weitze.net

There's an PHP script so there's no direct way to the smocks.

@besselein to say all 8 smocks are original for sure,without explaining why
is only the attempt of cheap spam!!!

Of course it's still possible to find"bulks"

of original SS smocks in Germany

but never from an dealer

,to quote a moderator

of the Wehrmacht-awards
forum,"I would never believe in the originalty of an rare and special item
if I don't get it from an vet

".

I agree to 100% with that opinion!!!

**Palmenmuster** · 07-10-2007, 05:07 PM

I have seen good pictures of the smocks, they are autentic. Lucky buyers....
Best regards,
Tom.

**Dr. Strangelove** · 07-10-2007, 06:16 PM

Siberia

Spongebob was never the same after Kharkov was retaken.

**JOHN VD HEIJDEN** · 07-10-2007, 06:21 PM

re

Hello to all of you

Me do also watched the pictures

IMO I also but thats mY opinion

the smocks are originall

But that,s miine opinin

**besslein** · 07-10-2007, 07:07 PM

Originally posted by Spongebob View Post

Here is the Link: http://www.Weitze.net

There's an PHP script so there's no direct way to the smocks.

@besselein to say all 8 smocks are original for sure,without explaining why
is only the attempt of cheap spam!!!

Of course it's still possible to find"bulks"

of original SS smocks in Germany

but never from an dealer

,to quote a moderator

of the Wehrmacht-awards
forum,"I would never believe in the originalty of an rare and special item
if I don't get it from an vet

".

I agree to 100% with that opinion!!!

Im soory for you

**Glenn McInnes** · 07-10-2007, 07:49 PM

Originally posted by JOHN VD HEIJDEN View Post

Hello to all of you

Me do also watched the pictures

IMO I also but thats mY opinion

the smocks are originall

But that,s miine opinin

Glenn

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