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    #16
    Originally posted by Lorenz View Post
    Hi Singer,
    yes, we speack about this..but 70 years are gone and how really know all things about this of others things?
    We can only suppose something, I also dont know all about this, I can ensure the the tunics are both original, with theyr stamps...
    This is all that I can tell my friend....but I found that it's very important to speack about all this things, to improve our knowledge...day for day...
    BY Lorenz
    Well Lorenz, to me, conventional logic would suggest that there was NOT ONLY One SS-BW stamp that was used throughout the entire SS textile industries. However, this is just my uneducated Opinion.

    B. N. Singer

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      #17
      Hi Lorenz,
      I agree with BN SINGER, both stamps are different, the letters borders do not have the same thickness.

      Your explanation about provenance make sense , but, as BN SINGER wrote
      "I have heard it discussed that there was Only One style of SS-BW stamp that was used and accepted by collectors as Original".
      Always thought that runes were supposed to be more "vertical". Such as on this textbook example.
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        #18
        Friends!
        What I can tell?
        Are original both tunics...for sure..with original marks stamp SS-BW..
        By lorenz

        Originally posted by wolhans View Post
        Hi Lorenz,
        I agree with BN SINGER, both stamps are different, the letters borders do not have the same thickness.

        Your explanation about provenance make sense , but, as BN SINGER wrote
        "I have heard it discussed that there was Only One style of SS-BW stamp that was used and accepted by collectors as Original".
        Always thought that runes were supposed to be more "vertical". Such as on this textbook example.

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          #19
          Originally posted by Lorenz View Post
          Friends!
          What I can tell?
          Are original both tunics...for sure..with original marks stamp SS-BW..
          By lorenz

          Lorenzo,

          no worries
          Most of us are open to discussion and I believe this is the meaning of this forum.
          My question didn't pointed out your tunic as being questionable, my concern is about the SS-BW stamp that is not what I would expect or have seen before. It doesn't mean I'm right and you are wrong. I just wonder. I'm always open to learn new things, really.
          Hope we'll have other members that will come to help us (Gary? others? ).

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            #20
            Stamps ... , when you know how the original SS-BW or Betr.Ra. stamp style looks there is no problem to make a fake (post-war) stamp in exacly the same dimensions and shape. For my opinion or knowledge, SS-BW stamps can vary but correct me if I am wrong. I would count or judge more on the tunic, then the stamps.

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              #21
              The problem with stamps is that more than one type of stamper had to have been used at different locations of distribution. This is a relatively unexplored and uninvestigated area of collecting thus no one knows for sure what every type of SS BW stamp should look like.
              In one of Mike Beavers books a photo is used to illustrate and example of what ONE respected collector Dave Delich THINKS a correct SS BW stamp should look like. The problem with this is that it shows one example of a tunic manufactured, stamped and distributed at one location.It is also an opinion of someone who 60 years after the fact has formed an opinion based on that one stamp,while somewhere else out ther in the collector realm other tunics may have been residing with different style of stampings...now condemned because a well known name in the hobby gave an opinion a valid one about the authenticity of one stamp but uninformed as to what else might have occurred 60 plus years ago.
              This is the problem in this area of collecting,I see it often and hear it often...One person has one example of something thus all the others out there must resemble it to be authentic.
              For example the officer style RZM sleeve eagles which have the shiney bullion highlighted wreaths..if one will take note of the example illustrated in Beavers book on Karl Wolfs field gray tunic..it lacks the shiney bullion highlights on the wreath..if a loose example was found in mint condition someone on these forums would cast doubt on its authenticity...not having studied the period photos,the various examples with provenence etc etc. but basing opinion solely on what is owned in collections by them or someone they respect.Open minds and thoughtful investigation give better answers.

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                #22
                Fred, Robert, john...
                Completely agree with you..
                We cannt stop to learn....
                BY Lorenz

                Originally posted by John Pic View Post
                The problem with stamps is that more than one type of stamper had to have been used at different locations of distribution. This is a relatively unexplored and uninvestigated area of collecting thus no one knows for sure what every type of SS BW stamp should look like.
                In one of Mike Beavers books a photo is used to illustrate and example of what ONE respected collector Dave Delich THINKS a correct SS BW stamp should look like. The problem with this is that it shows one example of a tunic manufactured, stamped and distributed at one location.It is also an opinion of someone who 60 years after the fact has formed an opinion based on that one stamp,while somewhere else out ther in the collector realm other tunics may have been residing with different style of stampings...now condemned because a well known name in the hobby gave an opinion a valid one about the authenticity of one stamp but uninformed as to what else might have occurred 60 plus years ago.
                This is the problem in this area of collecting,I see it often and hear it often...One person has one example of something thus all the others out there must resemble it to be authentic.
                For example the officer style RZM sleeve eagles which have the shiney bullion highlighted wreaths..if one will take note of the example illustrated in Beavers book on Karl Wolfs field gray tunic..it lacks the shiney bullion highlights on the wreath..if a loose example was found in mint condition someone on these forums would cast doubt on its authenticity...not having studied the period photos,the various examples with provenence etc etc. but basing opinion solely on what is owned in collections by them or someone they respect.Open minds and thoughtful investigation give better answers.

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