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    #1

    Deutschland Artillery?

    Hello Everyone,

    I have a question about the Deutschland Regiment that has puzzled me for some time.

    I had always assumed that the Deutschland Regiment was entirely Panzer-Grenadier. However, in a book titled Waffen-SS Uniforms and Insignia, there is a photo of what is described as a Russian-captured uniform, with artillery shoulder boards and a Der Fuhrer cufftitle. Since Der Fuhrer was another Panzer-Grenadier Regiment of the Das Reich Division, I then began to wonder.

    In another book specifically about the Das Reich Regiment, I have also read about a "heavy gun company" assigned to Deutschland. Although it didn't say artillery, "heavy guns" sounds like artillery to me.

    So, my question is this: Was there any artillery company, unit, personnel, etc. which was permanently assigned to the Deutschland Regiment, so that they would have worn a Deutschland cufftitle rather than one for Das Reich? I would like to know this so that I can group artillery officer insignia and accoutrements with a Deutschland cufftitle, with historical accuracy.
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    Deutschland

    Order of battle - SS-Division Reich (1941-1942)
    SS-Infanterie Regiment Deutschland
    I. Battalion
    1. Kompanie
    2. Kompanie
    3. Kompanie
    4. Kompanie
    II. Battalion
    5. Kompanie
    6. Kompanie
    7. Kompanie
    8. Kompanie
    III. Battalion
    9. Kompanie
    10. Kompanie
    11. Kompanie
    12. Kompanie
    13. Kompanie
    14. Kompanie
    15. Kompanie
    16. Kompanie
    Leichte Infanterie Kolonne
    SS-Infanterie Regiment Der F******252;hrer
    I. Battalion
    1. Kompanie
    2. Kompanie
    3. Kompanie
    4. Kompanie
    II. Battalion
    5. Kompanie
    6. Kompanie
    7. Kompanie
    8. Kompanie
    III. Battalion
    9. Kompanie
    10. Kompanie
    11. Kompanie
    12. Kompanie
    13. Kompanie
    14. Kompanie
    15. Kompanie
    16. Kompanie
    Leichte Intanterie Kolonne
    SS-Infanterie Regiment 11
    I. Battalion
    1. Kompanie
    2. Kompanie
    3. Kompanie
    4. Kompanie
    II. Battalion
    5. Kompanie
    6. Kompanie
    7. Kompanie
    8. Kompanie
    III. Battalion
    9. Kompanie
    10. Kompanie
    11. Kompanie
    12. Kompanie
    13. Kompanie
    14. Kompanie
    15. Kompanie
    16. Kompanie
    Leichte Intanterie Kolonne
    Artilleri Regiment
    I. Abteilung
    1. Batterie
    2. Batterie
    3. Batterie
    II. Abteilung
    4. Batterie
    5. Batterie
    6. Batterie
    III. Abteilung
    7. Batterie
    8. Batterie
    9. Batterie
    IV. Abteilung
    13. Batterie
    14. Batterie
    15. Batterie
    Sturmgesch******252;tz Batterie Messbatterie
    Krad Sch******252;tzen Batallion
    1. Kompanie
    2. Kompanie
    3. Kompanie
    4. Kompanie
    5. Kompanie
    Aufklarungs abteilung
    1. Kompanie
    2. Kompanie
    3. Kompanie
    Leichte Aufklarungskolonne
    Panzerj******228;ger abteilung
    1. Kompanie
    2. Kompanie
    3. Kompanie
    Pionier abteilung
    1. Kompanie
    2. Kompanie
    3. Kompanie
    Bruckenkolonne
    Leichte Pionier Kolonne
    Nachrichten abteilung
    1. Kompanie
    2. Kompanie
    Leichte Nachrichten Kolonne
    Wirtschafts batallion
    Verpflegungsamt
    Backerie Kompanie
    Schlachterie Kompanie
    Nachschubdienste
    1. Kraftwagenkolonne
    2. Kraftwagenkolonne
    3. Kraftwagenkolonne
    4. Kraftwagenkolonne
    5. Kraftwagenkolonne
    6. Kraftwagenkolonne
    7. Kraftwagenkolonne
    8. Kraftwagenkolonne
    9. Kraftwagenkolonne
    10. Kraftwagenkolonne
    11. Kraftwagenkolonne
    12. Kraftwagenkolonne
    13. Kraftwagenkolonne
    14. Kraftwagenkolonne
    15. Kraftwagenkolonne
    Nachschubkompanie
    Instandsetzungsdienst
    1. Werkstattkompanie
    2. Werkstattkompanie
    3. Werkstattkompanie
    Ersatz Kolonne
    Sanitatsabteilung
    Feldazarett
    1. Sanitatskompanie
    2. Sanitatskompanie
    1. Krankenkraftwagenzug
    2. Krankenkraftwagenzug
    3. Krankenkraftwagenzug
    Last edited by Sayle F; 01-09-2007, 04:46 PM.

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      #3
      SS Artillery

      Here is an SS Artillery officer tunic in my collection.
      Attached Files

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        #4
        Deutschland Officer

        Deutschland.
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          #5
          Thanks to everyone for all the thorough answers to my questions. Your help saved me lots of work!

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            #6
            I have often wondered about the inconsistencies of tunic, waffenfarbe and cufftitle - having noticed several tunics that have an infantry regimental cufftitles and the waffenfarbe of another arm of service (such as the Deutschland tunic with artillery waffenfarbe). Or, conversely, panzer and assault gun wrappers that have infantry cufftitles - eg Germania on a panzer wrapper.

            In panzer-gremadier divisions, only one of the two panzer-grenadier regiments had one of its battalions mounted on half-tracks - the case of Das Reich, it was the Der Fuhrer PG regiment. This regiment was also authorized a platoon of self-propelled "Grille" howitzers. To my mind, only the half-track battalion and the Grille platoon personnel should have worn assault gun wrappers. In regards to panzer wrappers, I can think of only one case (Hermann von Salza) where panzer troops would have not worn a divisional cufftitle.

            As for infantry cufftitles and other waffenfarbe, I suppose, for example, that an infantry officer posted to an artillery regiment in a non-cufftitled division (eg Nord) could have retained a regimental cufftitle. I would suspect that this was comparatively rare indeed.

            Mike

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              #7
              Originally posted by Aeryn Sun View Post
              I had always assumed that the Deutschland Regiment was entirely Panzer-Grenadier. However, in a book titled Waffen-SS Uniforms and Insignia, there is a photo of what is described as a Russian-captured uniform, with artillery shoulder boards and a Der Fuhrer cufftitle. Since Der Fuhrer was another Panzer-Grenadier Regiment of the Das Reich Division, I then began to wonder.
              As I'm not so convinced on the answer to this question, I thought I would dredge this old thread to the top . . . Would it have been possible to see a member of the "Deutschland" or "Der Fuhrer" Regiment with red-colored waffenfarbe for Artillery on their shoulderboards?

              Brad

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                #8
                Brad,

                This issue was widely discussed in the first couple of pages of this thread:

                http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=280491

                Hope this helps!

                Mike

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                  #9
                  Mike,

                  That answers my question perfectly - thanks a Million!

                  Brad

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