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The use of human hair in the manufacture of clothing, whether it actually occurs or not, does not require the death of the donor. How do you think human hair wigs are made? Camp inmates were customarily shaved upon arrival so as to prevent the spread of disease. Also, the human soap story was dismissed by no less than Yehuda Bauer himself.
Holocaust expert rejects charge that Nazis made soap from Jews
by Hugh Orgel
Tel Aviv (JTA) - Professor Yehuda Bauer, head of the Hebrew University's Holocaust history department and regarded as one of the foremost researchers of the Holocaust, has denied the frequently quoted charge that the Nazis used the bodies of Jewish death camp victims to make soap.
The technical possibilities for transforming human fat into soap were not known at that time, Bauer said Sunday at a Holocaust memorial meeting for Yom Hashoah.
"The Nazis did enough horrible things during the Holocaust. We do not have to go on believing untrue stories," Bauer said.
Unsubstantiated rumors about the use of bodies of British soldiers to make soap had circulated during both World War I and World War II, he said.
Raoul Hilberg, professor of political science at the University of Vermont and a pre-eminent historian of the Holocaust, agrees that the soap rumor, although widespread, was probably unfounded.
"There were all kinds of rumors," he said, noting that a New York Times article during the war suggested that Jews were given lethal injections before deportation and arrived at the extermination camps already dead.
Other rumors speculated that Jews were killed in the Belzec camp by electrocution in water; some thought the Jews were gassed in the trains.
"All of these rumors are untrue, based on nothing at all," Hilberg said. "No evidence has turned up" to suggest that the Nazis used human fat to make soap.
In Danzig, Germany (now Gdansk, Poland), pictures of dead, heavyset people cut into pieces and a recipe for soap were discovered in 1945 at the Stutthof camp. "But we don't know that the bodies were of Jews, or that the pictures and recipe went together," said Hilberg.
Moreover, the rumor was being circulated as early as 1942, according to documentary evidence.
"It's fairly reliable that the story was circulated, but I can't say whether or not it is true," said Hilberg.
JTA staff writer Elena Neuman in New York contributed to this reportLast edited by Leslie Hiler; 12-05-2006, 07:31 PM.Comment
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The soap from dead Jews has been disproven, but only because it was an idea that proved more expensive than the worth. The hair was used for blankets and linings, but not in great amounts. The ashes from crematoriums were used for fertilizers, but at a very limited use. But you have to wonder who even thought of this stuff?Comment
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It is really sick and shows who were "untermenschen" in reality.Comment
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FWIW, I had many years ago in the late 60's aquired a Sicherheitsdienst helmet , TYPICAL lightweight, M34 medium duty DD green helmet for SD & Einstatzgruppen at the local flee market, held then at the drive-in movie parking lot. Anyway, upon examing it the pad inside was coming loose or apart. I proceeded to take it out, the part exposed to your head was leather, the underside was a cloth linen material which had a blue floral pattern, presumably from a womans dress ? The contents inside making the cushion I immediately noticed was human hair, not just one kind either, was several different colors in there mixed up to make padding ! So from my experience I'd say they did use human hair, at least in this helmet they did....well that bothered me & I sold the helmet. I think we all know where the hair came from ? Some the hair red, brown, black & grey. Not hard to figure out. I imagine it saved the SS some finances to use whatever they could from the corpses to be. Perhaps this is why they shaved their heads ? Anyway it's one example & I'm sure there are more out there.Last edited by Jerry45; 12-05-2006, 08:12 PM.Comment
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Bravo Pete!
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I am sure that if human hair had been used in the manufacture of garments by the Germans it would have been proven by now through valid scientific means such as DNA analysis. As I have never heard or seen such evidence, I dont believe a word of it.Comment
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It is quite possible, although I have no immediate documentation for the notion, that it was German women who donated their own hair for the war effort. It is not inconceivable. To say matter-of-factly that the hair you found came from camp inmates is jumping to a desired conclusion.Originally posted by Jerry45 View Post
Perhaps, but how do you know? You are making a barely informed assumption. No one has to die for their hair, except in the case where American natives would scalp their victims as trophies. Talk about barbarity...I imagine it saved the SS some finances to use whatever they could from the corpses to be.
No. The shaving of heads was a very practical prophylactic against diseases like typhus which was spread through body lice. The shaving of inmates' heads upon arrival was a life-saving measure and nothing more.Perhaps this is why they shaved their heads?Last edited by Leslie Hiler; 12-06-2006, 03:29 AM.Comment
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With a war to fight, meeting the expense would have hardly been a consideration, seeing as the technology did not even exist at the time. In the future, when a cure for cancer is discovered, shall we indict all of those doctors in the past who we would sanctimoniously deem to have possibly had the opportunity to save their patients except for the cost prohibitiveness of the cure? That's patently absurd.Originally posted by JaimeH View Post
The entire German people as a whole? The cosmetic industry has been known to utilize the "output" of the abortion industry for use as "collagen" in certain products. I think you have to wonder who even thought of that. Perhaps it was a descendant of Countess Elizabeth Bathory.The hair was used for blankets and linings, but not in great amounts. The ashes from crematoriums were used for fertilizers, but at a very limited use. But you have to wonder who even thought of this stuff?Last edited by Leslie Hiler; 12-06-2006, 03:35 AM.Comment
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Anyone got a jacket made out of hair? Please post pictures if so.
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Of course.
Just the first thing I got by hands, straight from Simon Wisenthal Centre (Of course when I say Simon Wiesenthal if you know how the autorized Simon Wiesenthal centers works you know that I'm referring to Simon and/or his centers researcher).
As son as I find something on line I post the stuff about hairs and human skin lamps.
The Soap Myth
"It's a general conception that the Nazis manufactured soap," says [Michael] Berenbaum [author of The World Must Know: The History of the Holocaust as Told in the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum], who was project manager for the USHMM before it opened in 1993 and headed the museum's research institute until 1997. "But those of us working in this area have not used it as an example [of Nazi atrocity] in the last 10 to 15 years. We don't have any evidence that the Nazis actually manufactured soap with human bodies."
When Berenbaum began putting the USHMM exhibit together, even he believed "it was obviously the case" that the Nazis produced soap from fat. "There was a question as to whether we would use soap in the exhibition," he says. But after a thorough search, he adds, "I didn't find any evidence of it. I found evidence for everything else that ... the Nazis did and worse."
He says the evidence that would prove it conclusively would include shipping bills, physical evidence from a manufacturing plant, or receipts for economic transactions - none of which has been found.
Aaron Breitbart, a senior researcher at the Simon Wiesenthal Center, agrees that the evidence is thin. "The leading scholars of the Holocaust are of the opinion that the Nazis did not make soap," he says. "It was a cruel rumor at the camps...."
Andrew Hollinger, a spokesman in the [Holocaust Museum] department of media relations...provided Moment with a document written by the museum's historian that concludes: "Available documentary evidence and eyewitness accounts have been unable to corroborate in a conclusive manner reports that the National Socialists and their collaborators used human fat from their victims in the manufacture of soap." It goes on to say: "rumors that Germans made soap from human remains originated in French propaganda from the First World War."
Breitbart explains why it is that the scholars have to be so careful. "The importance is not to give the Holocaust deniers any opportunity," he says. "The view of the Holocaust revisionists is, if you can prove something is wrong, then everything is wrong. It gives them an opportunity to cast doubt on the general historical veracity of the Holocaust."
The scholars' view is based in -part on analysis of the small blue-green cakes of soap that Holocaust survivors have presented over the years, claiming that they were made from human fat. Breitbart says the bars are stamped "R.I.F.," for Reich Industry Fat, but in the camps some Jews believed that the I was a J and that the acronym stood for "Jewish Fat." When analyzed, however, the bars turned up no evidence of human DNA"
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No comment to that last photo of the "tunic" and cap posted. Lets be serious mate.
Jerry, that is an excellent personal recount. Very thought provoking. With examples such as this it only goes to show that there is still hard proof to back up the documents I posted above. I wonder could we establish further other items which may have been produced as Helmet lining if you see wasnt mentioned in at least what ive posted from SS memos. But, its been observed, If we had an example of an item we could very well have that tested scientifically and go further to confirm that the contents are what they are to ensure that information is not left out from any future books etc.
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Originally posted by Jerry45 View Post
To find human hair in rather early pieces such as this is a new idea that should be discused.
Are you sure it was human hair and not horse hair? The colors would match these of horse hair perfectly.
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Exactly. My point is that without a DNA test, to summarily conclude that the hair is human is jumping to what is perhaps a desired conclusion. Moreover, to insist upon the inclusion of old, unsubstantiated rumors among the litany of other alleged German atrocities (only some of which can be said to be truly "documented") indicates no other intention beyond group libel.Originally posted by Fritz View Post
In point of fact, the German military (to include even the SS) was one of the most disciplined and honorable militaries in history. One need only compare the behavior of German soldiers to that of Soviet soldiers and their deplorable treatment of German civilians in the former eastern territories of Germany at war's end to understand the absolute truth of this statement.
At any rate, to continue attributing demonstrable falsehoods to the Germans is not in any way different from the "Blood Libel" so often levelled against Jews in the past. As for the apparent skittishness regarding the so-called "discovery" of human hair in a WWII relic, why are you bothering with the collection of such items in the first place?Last edited by Leslie Hiler; 12-06-2006, 07:13 AM.Comment
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