Originally posted by JPhilip
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I didnt mean it to you mate dont worry u didnt bother anything!i was sayin in general before anyone got me wrong
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Hi Lorenz,Yes i think ive seen these things and i also believe u can find them in pants as well!
im not sayin its TRUE as DrapeauNoir said ,u need Prooves but When u hear something u always want to hear other people opinionsComment
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Hi JPhilip,Originally posted by JPhilip View Post
You dont need to apologize since you are not guilty of any "crime" to my eyes.
But since I do not belive in "bad" and "good" or "evil" and "god", I mean I don't think you can say all the SS were criminals as you cannot say all the commies ate children, I prefer to keep my distance from "MTV sources" or to be clear I dont belive in any legend exploited by the media to force my mind to follow a "path" towards "happiness" (that's mean buy just THOSE shoes, drink just THOSE drinks, support just THOSE nation in war, hate just THOSE people....).
I think there are bad men and god men, they act as they think is better and right.
Standing to that if you would like to claim anything controversial like Holocaust (or Foibe, or Lakota extermination, or Armenian Extermination etc.etc.)related facts you need to prove them otherwise they are just words and not history.
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it comes to mind that some officer's tunics were lined with rough horsehair to 'stiffen' them up, perhaps that's where the 'human hair tunic' thing comes from...Comment
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Exactly, and later on when the recycling system started they recycled canteen covers, early tornisters ...civil clothes with fur collars, cuffs and linings and many other things were thrown into the recycling system....On later tunics you will find many unusual things like rayon threads in all colors that didn't adopt the fieldgray tones but remained in their former "civil use" color shades...red, yellow, blue etc..Originally posted by Vinland View Post
Hard to say for sure but I still believe that human hair was not used for a economical use.
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Long coarse cellulose fibers in late wool tunics resembles human hair but it is not.
Perhaps this is where the myth came from.
Glenn"A Man's Got to Know His Limitations"Comment
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The mith come from the horses hair used during WWI to fill up the pillows of german helmets liner.Originally posted by Glenn McInnes View Post
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I've seen the human hair display at Auschwitz a few times. There is also the display of the rolls of cloth made and used.
Just this summer I asked the same question about the hair use. A matron there said yes it was used. She said in jackets, something in boots, and packing[?]..She offered a detailed explanation from one of their experts [in English] there but we had just got there and had to decline because of time restraints.
Anyone really interested I'd recommend a visit there. The people that work there are very knowledgeable and will spend the time with you if you ask.Comment
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Simon Wiesenthal denied that fat and hairs from human bodies were ever used by the germans to do "crazy things".
That's all for me.
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horse
Horse hair was used in the production of felt padding for the helmet liners. As horse hair is plentiful as a by product I can easily imagine it was used for other things.I love the beach.Comment
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There is a mountain of information, on the wartime textile industry, provided by Oswald Pohl of the SS Economic Office. The use of Rayon, reconstituted wool, and even reconstituted cardboard chips was not uncommon, in wartime produced military textiles.
I would suggest a trip to the Nationhal Archives and do a study of the wartime military textile industry. The Germans, via Oswald Pohl, left nothing undocumented.
horsehair was used for saddle padding, and the padding in panzer beret crash helmets, among other items that needed padding. Human hair is not something mentioned, from the research I have read. I would put this up with catching babies on bayonets and other 'war horror' stories used to describe the excesses of the Third Reich inhumanity. The truth is horrific enough, but there seems to be the need to 'guild the lilly'.
Bob HritzIn the land of the blind, the one eyed man is king.
Duct tape can't fix stupid, but it can muffle the sound.Comment
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Going by your own standard of expecting people to back up statements with sources, can you provide a source for that quote please. I would be interested in checking it out, thanks.
Originally posted by Drapeau Noir View PostComment
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And just to throw some more fuel into this fire: http://www.mg.co.za/articlePage.aspx...national_news/Comment
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All of it is possibble and plausable. But this is from actual evidence now. The Uniforms lining are mentioned below but it seems they may be part of a fictional Book but its intresting some of the names like Alex Zink factory appears. Not sure of the reliability of that but no doubt these clowns were up to some very evil methods to fill their shortages.
<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD align=left colSpan=2><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD vAlign=top>http://nuremberg.law.harvard.edu/php...=3680&MTNoSuff=
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</TD></TD></TR><TR><TD></TD></TR><TR><TD>HLSL Item No.: 4052 </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD>Personal Author: Gerhard Maurer (Office 2 (inmate labor) in Amtsgruppe D, WVHA; Waffen SS-Standartenfuehrer) </TD></TR><TR><TD>Literal Title: Subject: Use of hair cut from male prisoners. </TD></TR><TR><TD>Descriptive Title: Instructions to concentration camp commandants concerning the sale of hair cut from inmates, and the delivery of twine to Ravensbrueck. </TD></TR><TR><TD>Document Date: 4 January 1943, 19 April 1943 </TD></TR><TR><TD>Evidence Code No.: PS-3680 (Click for all versions of this document.)</TD></TR><TR><TD width=230>Language of Text: English</TD></TR><TR><TD>Notes: The hair (4 Jan) was sold to the Alex Zink felt factory, and the money was paid to the Reich Treasury; the second memo (19 Apr) concerned twine. </TD></TR><TR><TD>Document Type: Trial document; from the case files of documents prepared for use in the trial.</TD></TR><TR><TD>Trial Name: NMT 04. Pohl Case - USA v. Oswald Pohl, et al. </TD></TR><TR><TD>Source of Text: Case Files/English </TD></TR><TR><TD>Prosecution Exhibit No.: 152 </TD></TR><TR><TD>Prosecution Document Book No.: 5 </TD></TR><TR><TD>Activity: Concentration camp system (administration, construction, forced labor, abuse of inmates) (c. 4), Plundering of private property and occupied territories (inc. Reinhardt Action) (c. 4) </TD></TR><TR><TD>Trial Transcript Citation: Trial Name: NMT 04. Pohl Case - USA v. Oswald Pohl, et al., English Transcript: p. 222 (10 April 1947)
Trial Name: NMT 04. Pohl Case - USA v. Oswald Pohl, et al., English Transcript: p. 615 (17 April 1947)
http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/imt/pohl/open4.htm III. Opening Statements of the Prosecution and Defense:
A. Extracts From the Opening Statement of the Prosecution:
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"Extermination centers similar to Auschwitz existed at Treblinka, Majdanek, Belsec, and Sobibor in the vicinity of Lublin. There the procedure was the same. The victims were stripped of their clothes, money, and valuables. The hair of the women was cut off, later to be manufactured into mattresses. Then, herded like so many cattle, the naked men, women, and children were driven to their death in the gas chambers. Gold teeth were pulled from the mouths of the corpses. An attempt was even made to manufacture soap from the fatty parts of the bodies, while the ashes remaining after cremation were used for fertilizer. This was indeed a gruesomely commercial exploitation of death on a mass basis. "
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The second phase of Action Reinhardt which I have mentioned is the confiscation of personal property. This involved the murder and corpse desecration of countless Jews. Every watch, every gold fountain pen, every pair of shoes represented a dead man, woman, or child. It is literally impossible to comprehend the enormity of the crimes committed in Auschwitz, Treblinka, Majdanek, and the rest. To assist the Tribunal in that regard, we shall exhibit a motion picture which shows the warehouses of those death camps full of clothes, shoes, spectacles, and bales of human hair. The WVHA accounted for and controlled the disposition of those proceeds of mass murder. "
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Posterity working on a psychological basis will confirm with great interest that the prosecutor did not add any legal argument to the phrase just quoted by me, for one cannot add to it, but continued, "We will show a film in this respect in support of the Tribunal which shows the warehouses of these death camps filled with clothes, shoes, spectacles, and bales of human hair." The logic is simply disconnected. The ratio, the power of consideration fails, and we can only have recourse to this series of apocalyptical pictures which were burnt into our memory. I shall never forget the shorn human hair mentioned above, and the individual features of the victims, who in the suffering they have overcome, already attain what we imagine to be transcendental sublime greatness, completely raised above this valley of misery. But I was never far distant from the bridge which led from the hell of these events to that, may I say, bourgeois narrow mindedness of my client the defendant, who went to his work in the morning, to lunch at noon, and in the evening to his family, to wife and children; and who was absolutely incapable of having such a vision or the idea of such a vision."
http://www.rinr.fsu.edu/winter2005/f...overstory.html
“Hoess said that while he was commandant of Auschwitz, soap was not manufactured from human fat. ‘We cut the hair from women after they had been exterminated in the gas chambers. The hair was then sent to factories, where it was woven into special fittings for gaskets.’
Was this hair also from men and women? ‘No, in 1943 I received the first orders to do it. We cut the hair only from women and only after they were dead.’
http://holocaustcontroversies.blogsp...-ignorant.html
<B>SS-WirtschaftsverwaltungshauptamtOranienburg,August 6. 1942Amtsgruppe D - Concentration CampsD II 288 Ma./Ha. Tgb. 112 geh.SECRET!Copy 13Re: Use of hair cuttingsTo the Commandants of the Concentration Camps Arb., Au., Bu., Da., Flo., Gr.Ro., Lu., Maut/Gu., Na., Nie., Neu., Rav., Sahs., Stutth., Mor., SS SL Hinzert.SS Obergruppenfuehrer Pohl, Chief of the SS Wirtschafts-Verwaltungshauptamt has ordered that the hair of concentration camp prisoners is to be put to use. Hair is to be made into industrial felt or spun into yarn. Woman's hair is to be used in the manufacture of hair-yarn socks for 'U'-boat crews and hair-felt foot-wear for the Reichs-railway.It is therefore ordered that the hair of female prisoners be disinfected and stored. Men's hair can only be put to use if it is longer than 20 mm. SS Obergruppenfuehrer Pohl therefore agrees for an intial trial period to the growing of the prisoners hair to a length of 20 mm before it is cut. Long hair could facilitate escape and to avoid this the camp commandants may have a middle parting shaved in the prisoners' hair as a distinguishing mark, if they think it is necessary.It is planned to set up a hair processing workshop in one of the concentration camps. Further details as to the delivery of the accumulated hair will follow.The total monthly amount of male and female hair is to be reported to this office on the 5th of every month beginning from September 5, 1942.signed: GluecksSS-Brigadefuehrer undGeneralmajor der Waffen-SS(Translation of a report from IMT, Band XX, Nurnberg 1947, taken from Concentration Camp Dachau 1933-1945, ISBN 3-87490-528-4, p. 137; Plate 282 with translation.)(Graphics of the document here and here.)
2) A later (04.01.1943) directive by Gerhard Maurer is in PS-3680. It concerns the "use of hair cut from male prisoners". The hair was sold to the Alex Zink factory. This may be the same directive as quoted here:The prisoner's hair is to be sent to Alex Zink, Fur Manufactures, Ltd., Nuremberg. The company will pay 0.50 marks for every kilogram of hair.It depends on whether the date is correct.
3) The document on p. 247 of Czech's Auschwitz Chronicle:[...]Angekommen: 30.9.42[...]Ich genehmige hiermit die Fahrt mit einem PKW. des SS-Oberstuf. S c h w a r z von Auschwitz nach Friedland zur Besichtigung des Haarverwerungsbetr. Held in Friedland, Bez. Breslau.gez. G l ue c k sSS-Brigadefuehrer und Generalmajorder Waffen-SS in der Dienstellungeine Generalleutenants.[...]Glueckes permits the journey of SS-Obersturmfuehrer Schwarz of Auschwitz to Friedland, to inspect hair processing at Held company.
4) NO-1257: report of 6 February, 1943 "on the realization of textile-salvage from the Jewish resettlement up to the present date":[...]women's hair 1 car 3,000 kg[...]5) Invoice for 250 kg of hair sent from Majdanek to Paul Reimann company in Friedland can be found here.
6) Invoice for 400 kg of hair sent from Treblinka to Paul Reimann company in Friedland can be found here.
7) Invoice for 200 kg of hair sent from Majdanek to Paul Reimann company in Friedland can be found here.
8) Part of invoice for unknown quantity of hair sent to Alex Zink firm can be found at the page "Die Haare der KZ-Opfer". This is a page of a project to investigate the use of hair in Roth, near Nuremberg. (If you have the article in electronic form, I will be grateful to receive it).
9) Stutthof camp records contain the following documents, according to USHMM's online finding aids:[...]Correspondence concerning sending hair cut of prisoners.[...]Correspondence regarding sales of hair and other related belongings of prisoners to local businesses.[...]
10) Further Majdanek records, as described here:A separate group consists of files concerning the dispatch of hair from the camp in 1942–1944. From this correspondence, we learn that, from September 1942 to the first quarter of 1944, 730 kilograms of human hair were sent from Majdanek11) Finally, the Soviets found lots of hair right after the liberation of Auschwitz. The photos are here, here and here
Given such a large amount of evidence, it is clear that the Ugly Voice is either a gross ignoramus, who has undertaken such am ambitious project without learning the basics. Or he is just a liar.
http://www2.xlibris.com/bookstore/bo...p?bookid=12123
"The hair of the dead was shorn and sent to Germany where tailor's lining for suits and coats was made of it. Gold and platinum teeth were wrenched out of the dead jaws and the metal melted into ingots and sent to Germany. The prisoners' clothes and luggage, so neatly piled on the ramps, was sent to storage barracks for sorting and redistribution to Germans at home in the Third Reich. The barracks were collectively called Canada, a marvellously cold, white place, secure from prying eyes and beyond the borders of morality. Sorting day and night for three years did not clean out Canada. In the six Canada barracks the Germans did not manage to destroy at the end of the war there were over a million suits and dresses, and there were as many shoes, toothbrushes, eyeglasses, not to mention artificial limbs enough to supply a big city.
She moved more slowly than the people going through the Block with her. She couldn't keep from staring. Her emotions could be somehow held back, but her mind wouldn't stop sucking in the facts and making images of them.
She stood in front of a window that looked in on fifteen thousand pounds of human hair which had not, at liberation, been sent to the Alex Zink factories in Bavaria. What did the workers there think when they opened the bags and processed the hair—wove it? That it was Jewish hair? Therefore animal hair? Did they go home to their families and drink and sing German war songs after supper with friends and never mention the twenty-five kilogram bags as one of the good reasons the Alex Zink factory was flourishing (they had something to make cloth out of) and they had something to sing about. Did they also say after the war that they knew nothing of what was happening in Auschwitz?
Exploiting the corpses, the Guide called it, mentioning the hair and the teeth, but not the lampshades made with human skin, and not the soap made from rendered human fat.
The hair, the book: "The children were so pretty, so well-made that it was striking, when compared to the rags they were covered with . . . It happened in the second half of October 1944. The children had noticed the smoke from the chimney and they realized they were being led to their deaths. They began running hither and thither in the yard in a dead fright, clutching their heads in despair." She thought tears a luxury. She didn't allow herself to have them here. The hair—it lay dry and inert like time stood still—was here now, and it had been there then; and twenty minutes before that it had been growing on a healthy body. Black, auburn, blond, brown. Women's hair, shorn carefully because now it was suddenly valuable, a part of sacred military industrial commerce."
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