Skull on cufftitle

[Doug Kenwright]

I am looking through some pictures on tunics held in museum collections here in Canada and came across this cufftitle pic.I have never seen this before..if this is a fake,what type of fake is it? There
is a few interesting pics,but i will start with this...It does not look like any fake i have seen of an Oberbayern title..so what does it represent(or try to at least ..!)

thanks
Kursk

[Bobwirtz]

I cannot tell you what kind of fake it is but it is IMO. I've never seen an original that even closely resembles this. You never know about museums. They can have a lot of junk in their collections. In the Imperial War Museum is Hermann Goring's white tunic that has had the shoulder boards reattached. It's a lousy restoration job and they used a silver button instead of a gold one. But it's all original parts. This cuffband doesn't even make that grade.

Bob

[wh014d4394]

theres one on hanas reich he say its a ta cuff worn by older vets?

[Doug Kenwright]

ahh here's the rub... collection lists date this tunic as being acquired in 1951 from a mr. H Dislop in memorium for his deceased brother along with a panzer wrap and national flag..nobody i have asked has even seen this type fake (if it is,and they say that it is the oddest thing they have seen)

does anyone have the URL for Hannahs Reich?

[TonyS]

The cufftitle on Hannahs Reich is an original flatwire type.

[Gary Wood]

ahh here's the rub... collection lists date this tunic as being acquired in 1951 from a mr. H Dislop in memorium for his deceased brother along with a panzer wrap and national flag

search the forum there has been a thread recently showing many examples of this pattern cuff title
cheers
Gary

[Gary Wood]

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=149534

[Doug Kenwright]

yes,thank you Gary very interesting...now,this cufftitle looks to be embroidered in a offwhite thread. It has the appearance of what one would see under the silver in a silver woven type

would there have been any reason for this,or was this to differentiate between ranks? (EM, NCO's and officers )

did this once have silver on the threads? lots of questions!

there seems to be quite a few variations in the woven types

[TonyS]

Kurskss - in my opinion your cufftitle is a reproduction. There was no separate rank styles on the skull cufftitles as far as I am aware.

Only when they started the "Totenkopf" worded cufftitle were they done in different types - Bevo, RZM and flatwire (for officers).

[Doug Kenwright]

Hi Tony
This is on a tunic donated to the Canadian war museum in the 50's...though any thing is possible,i have a really hard time believing this is a reproduction...as well,again apropos nothing.I have not found a person who has seen a fake of this particular one anywhere..you would think that there would be a few around ,but it's hand done and has provenance..It was brought back from Germany and is on a uniform that has concentration camp connections..

[Arran]

Knowing what goes on in museums, the original cufftitle was probably removed and replaced with this one by an employee or volunteer in the last couple of decades. Who knows, maybe the whole tunic was replaced...its called "the old switcheroo"...

[Doug Kenwright]

Arran yes, its possible..they managed to "lose" a Victoria cross too didn't they?

[Fred S]

I won't say "yes" or "not" about his one but that's a fact: museum items doesn't always mean good items, we had experience in Normandy with a realy good museum, where Normandy citizens bring back ww2 relics and al lot of hard to find relics were replaced by fakes by the museum owner