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    SS Camouflage smock opinions please

    Hi.
    I just got this smock in the mail today.
    With the smock it is a well documented certificate book with fotos.
    There is also a original copy of the owners soldbuch.
    There was also some scans of the soldbuch, but it was to black to read.

    The owner was SS-Scharf******252;hrers Ernst Hisky who was born 7.9.1916.
    He was in the SS-Panzer J******228;ger Abt.5.

    Here is a link to much more pictures and some documents.
    http://home.online.no/~krheriks/bilder/ss.htm

    Please tell me what you need picture off regarding the smock and I will post it.

    I need your opinions on this smock and if you also know the value then that would be great.

    Thanks.
    Best regards,
    Andr******233;
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    Last edited by NOR_collector; 04-25-2006, 10:26 AM.
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    Has the end of the one sleeve been hacked off?

    Bob

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      #3
      Hi Bob.

      No the sleve is the same as the other.
      It was just folded inside the arm.
      I didnt see that when I took the picture.

      Here is a new picture with both arms :-)

      Originally posted by Bobwirtz
      Has the end of the one sleeve been hacked off?

      Bob
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        #4
        I'd get ready to start taking a lot of pictures of this thing inside and out. The experts in these are going to want a lot of specialized and detailed photos. These are getting very good, although I would think that most of the original materials to make these have been pretty well used up by now -- then again there are still plenty of camouflaged zeltbahns around.

        Bob

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          #5
          i don't like it ....

          You can see the same TARNJACKE on Ebay.de !!!!

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            #6
            This smock is a repro, these are in production since at least the early 90s by a company from southern germany. It is one of the easiest to detect reproductions on the market today. All renenactor smocks sold by the larger US dealers (at the front, 1944 militaria etc.) are much better than this "german" repro...of course these "US" ones are detectable as well.

            If you are able to read german then you will understand that Niemann declined a positive expertise...as he is not 100% sure....But I am sure it's 100% bad.

            Value is ca. 30,-Euro as it is used...sorry.

            Cheers

            Fritz
            Last edited by Fritz; 04-25-2006, 11:36 AM.

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              #7
              Originally posted by Bobwirtz
              I'd get ready to start taking a lot of pictures of this thing inside and out. The experts in these are going to want a lot of specialized and detailed photos. These are getting very good, although I would think that most of the original materials to make these have been pretty well used up by now -- then again there are still plenty of camouflaged zeltbahns around.

              Bob
              Bob,
              one doesn't need anymore pics in this case...one is enough. Also, it is not possible to make a correct smock from a zeltbahn as a zeltbahn is too small for that...you would need additional seams...but there are some "experts" out there that hide these seams under the waistband. If one has a smock that has a waistband on both sides (spring and autumn) then one should worry....

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                #8
                Thank you, Fritz. I never got into the smocks all that much. I used to have both the first and second models, the first one being in the palm pattern. But I bought and sold those many years ago and got them both from a very reliable source at the time so I know they were good. I just got out of the camouflaged stuff because I like the tunics with insignia and badges, etc.

                Bob

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                  #9
                  Hi ,
                  I'm agree with Fritz, this smock is a repro, you can buy one of this on e-bay for few Eur.
                  I'm sorry
                  BY Lorenz

                  Originally posted by Fritz
                  Bob,
                  one doesn't need anymore pics in this case...one is enough. Also, it is not possible to make a correct smock from a zeltbahn as a zeltbahn is too small for that...you would need additional seams...but there are some "experts" out there that hide these seams under the waistband. If one has a smock that has a waistband on both sides (spring and autumn) then one should worry....

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                    #10
                    I guess all the documentation in the world isn't going to help it then. What about the soldbuch and other documents that belonged to the original owner? Are they good pieces? If so, I guess somebody tried to sweeten the deal by tossing in extra items like this. I've seen that done before...

                    Bob

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                      #11
                      Hi all

                      Sorry I think smock is replica.
                      I put one picture. The smock on my picture is replica that I once had at 1987~1988.I bought this smock from colletor who lived in West-German.
                      He said it was original, but I thought replica, so I sent back it to him.
                      This smock is very similar to that we discussed.
                      Pattern looks like original "type F(oak-leaf B)", but some details are different.

                      camomania
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                      Last edited by camomania; 04-27-2006, 01:16 AM.

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                        Originally posted by Bobwirtz
                        I guess all the documentation in the world isn't going to help it then. What about the soldbuch and other documents that belonged to the original owner? Are they good pieces? If so, I guess somebody tried to sweeten the deal by tossing in extra items like this. I've seen that done before...

                        Bob
                        Hi Bob.

                        All the documents, soldbuch, medals and some other items has been checked with Niemann and he has written a certificate on all of them.

                        My german is not so good, but here is the mail I received from the seller of this smock after I told the person that I wanted to send it back.

                        "hallo,

                        bitte rücksendung mit siegel und garantie!

                        ihre forumsmeinungen beinhalten keine fakten, schon gar keine kapazitäten.

                        bitte beschaffen sie mir 10 dieser jacken zu a 30,00 euro (Fritz=Kapazität)

                        ich habe erwartet und darauf vertraut, daß sie einen anerkannten textilexperten einbeziehen und nicht die meinung von sammlern im forum vom foto, ohne das textil persönlich geprüft zu haben. in einem deutschen forum wäre ein ähnlich unqualifiziertes ergebnis gekommen."

                        Thank you for all the replys on this item.

                        Best regards,
                        André

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by NOR_collector



                          bitte beschaffen sie mir 10 dieser jacken zu a 30,00 euro (Fritz=Kapazität)


                          ... I will translate that:

                          " Please get me 10 of such smocks for 30,00 Euro each (Fritz=Expert " ...Thanks!!! ).



                          No!! I want to have 80 for one since those that I can get him are brand new and I want to make a lil' business!

                          He can get 100 if he wants....The company that made/makes these smocks used to advertise in the german "DWJ" magazine...I believe they still do. At least they did for more than a decade. I don't remember the company's name but I believe they were from Backnang which is a city in southern germany....

                          Cheers

                          Fritz

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