Leather Overcoat

[Offizier]

I need your help identifying one overcoat. This overcoat came from Germany. From one soldier who was in WWII. Om buckles written "Astor mod.Glory". On buttons written Prym 6. Few people sayd that this overcoat belonged to Waffen-SS but I need your oppinion.

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Here you can find almost same overcoats

http://www.lssah.com/uniforms.html
http://www.replicaters.com/gestapouniforms.html

I cant add more photos becouse friend spoiled my camera. These photos were made some time ago. I will add reverse and interior then Ill buy new camera.


Thanks

[CWP]

This is a civilian overcoat of a style made from the 30's to the 70's and particularly popular in Germany in the 50s. The overcoat could have been worn by a political or military figure during WWII but there is no way to prove that. These coats were not issued to SS troops.

[Offizier]

But why these sites sells those overcoats as Gestapo or Waffen-SS

[John Huff]

money...

[CWP]

money...

John is right. Again, this style of overcoat existed during the Third Reich but also afterward and could have been bought by anyone who could afford one. Uniformed formations generally used coats that had provisions for shoulder boards. The coat you show is of an entirely civilian type, though it may have been used by certain military officers in some rare cases.

[Offizier]

What is appr value of this coat?

[Bobwirtz]

Chris and John are correct. The only real difference between an officer leather coat and a civilian one is the attachments for slip on shoulder boards and MAYBE a dagger hanger. Officers were provided a clothing allowance and would go out and buy these, as well as raincoats. Enlisted men were not issued these. They were issued a greatcoat. Officers could also buy greatcoats. Sellers, especially on eBay, are always selling these as SS or Gestapo coats because of the money... but they cannot absolutely prove to you that these were worn by these people during WWII unless they have some fake papers. Always buy the artifact and not the story. As to value I would think probably not more than a couple hundred dollars if it's an old one.

Bob

[Santi]

ive had a crush for those leather overcoats from the first moment i saw them...
i think they really rock!
what could be the price of a Leather Overcoats of the Gestapo or the SS nowadays?

[phild]

Chris and John are correct. The only real difference between an officer leather coat and a civilian one is the attachments for slip on shoulder boards and MAYBE a dagger hanger. Officers were provided a clothing allowance and would go out and buy these, as well as raincoats. Enlisted men were not issued these. They were issued a greatcoat. Officers could also buy greatcoats. Sellers, especially on eBay, are always selling these as SS or Gestapo coats because of the money... but they cannot absolutely prove to you that these were worn by these people during WWII unless they have some fake papers. Always buy the artifact and not the story. As to value I would think probably not more than a couple hundred dollars if it's an old one.

Bob

I disagree somewhat with the comment above. There were regulations published concerning leather overcoats and these pretty much specified that they be cut very similar to the standard fabric overcoats. Real military leather overcoats (Heer, W-SS, KM and Luftwaffe) will have two rows of 6 buttons each, flap covered hidden lower pockets, usually turn back cuffs and usually two button half belts in the rear....like a standard overcoat. There are many slight variations in detail and color between the originals and they were extremley expensive to buy during the period. I recall a leather overcoat listing on a period price list for the same amount as about 10 or more peak caps and or close to that number of daggers!!

There is evidence (photos) of some rare cases where civilian styled overcoats were worn...most often with the para-military types of officers. Even in these cases the coats were different than the one posted. Most civilian Leather OCs had two rows of three buttons and these were much more widley space than the military coats. They also tended to have full belts with ONE buckle, open lapels that were not really designed to be closed and other differences from both the posted coat and regulation military cut.

There really is not much guesswork to these. When you see a real military one, you know it.

[Dr. Strangelove]

I know Yves Saint Laurent when I see it!

[AGFA40]

hello all.

i have seeing this type of leather jackets by time to time.
there are indeed a lot of leather jackets from the 50 sells as ww2,for a lot of money.in holland you have a lot of gelmok jackets ,same style and will cost between 50 and 70e..
greetings silven