SS Kavelry dimond patch?

[Donald Abenheim]

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The above data is also very interesting. This data compares to the rapid growth of the SSVT, especially, since, say 1936 or so, does it not? The SSTV grows more slowly---or not, I shall leave these # to a statistician. Does the year book have data on growth via the union with the police, &c? Once more, your service to us all is a pillar of this discipline. Some of this issue is dealt with in the secondary literature via Koehl's The Black Corps (Wisconsin UP, 1983), by the way. Sapere aude. PS I did look in the above cited work, actually, and Koehl speaks to the draw down of the specialized units for two reasons: a.) to ensure that solely qualified personnel served there; b.) the anxiety that these specialized organizations could splinter and become a source of ill-discipline within the fractious heritage of the SA/SS ethos, unsere Ehre heisst Treue notwithstanding. There is no mention of the Wehrmacht, so my hypothesis on this score is likely off base. It is striking how many SS officers seem to leave each year of the DAL's that I have, that is, 1934, 1936, and 1938/9. This Koehl is a must book, even if the research in it is now very old. It is not an easy read, but it contains wonderful material on the SA/SS nexus in an interesting dimension. Thanks to colleagues for this vital data and much else, as well.

[derek]

Here is the page that is most probably the most useful for the purposes of this discussion. Obviously, it is hard to extrapolate accurate information about transfers without going into extreme detail about individuals, but the trends are fairly clear from the figures for the SS-VT and SS-TV versus the relative stagnation of the Allg-SS.
I am in the process of digitizing all these tottering piles of paper that surround my desk, I'll be better placed to answer more of these questions once it's all in a more manageable form.
Derek

[Donald Abenheim]

Zahlen auf Zahlen....

Thanks once more. The #'s involved with the SSVT and SSTV are really not especially great, particularly when compared to the growth in the Wehrmacht at the same time. I suppose the novice should bear in mind the small size of the SSTV in the years in which the most sought after regalia (all these collar patches and cuff titles) comes into use, as well. It is a very small organization, to be sure. There also does not seem to be a rapid increase via the union with the police after 1936, as well. I do have a source on that score, but not statistical. Thank you, colleague Chapman for your documents and we applaud your hard work in making them accessible to us seekers of knowledge on such an easy basis. To be sure, in an earlier life, I had had rolls of T-175 (the RFSS files on film...) in my hand, but my days reading microfilm lie three decades in the past. Much of the Persoenlicher Stab RFSS material is nearby at Stanford University, but I never seem to have the time or presence of mind to dig into it all any longer. Thus, my debt to you is doubly great. Patience is an important attribute of those in quest of the truth in the past. Where has mine gone? We salute yours. Sapere aude.

[Robert H]

what a wonderful historical thread for the collectors world worldwide !
The informations from Derek & Donald are fantastic, and I am glad Derek shares such informations.

By the way the shown badge is already offered from one dealer. Very nice badge !

[Texasuberalles]

Here's an item that fits into the discussion regarding SS Reiter Standarte #7 that was stationed in the Berlin suburb of Duppel.

[Gary Wood]

what a wonderful historical thread for the collectors world worldwide !
The informations from Derek & Donald are fantastic, and I am glad Derek shares such informations.

I agree ,Thanks
cheers
Gary