Hi Strassburger .Perhaps its just me but the tag look like new resewn to the pants and D1 code is not for pants makers , but it's just me,sorry if i'm wrong 
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Martin, sorry if I come off a little harsh but you asked for opinions on your trousers. You claim you are not a uniform collector yet you seem too jump on anyone that doesn’t give you the answer you want. If the truth be known, my post was a nice way of saying I think it is a fantasy tag in your trousers. I may be wrong and that could be a lesser-known civil or political tag but it is NOT SS. You stick it on estand at SS price when civil or political would command about a third of that with out any knowledge yourself. IMO you are clueless as to what these are and even if they are period (which I think they are). Yet you will make remarks and or leave your little faces on a reply to anything that does not suit you. Good luck on selling them. If you are such a cloth expert then why ask for opinions?Comment
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Here's a photo of the labeling in my SS white piped trousers. I had rejected 4 or 5 examples prior to finding this pair. There are some tell tale signs to check that are very helpful in determining whether the trousers are good or bad. Most of the pairs I rejected appeared to be period trousers but had had the white piping added after their original construction.
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Hi NTZ.Thanks for your kind words
but don't be nervous 
.Like i said i'm not an uniforms collector but that doesn't want to say that i know nothing about 
.This thread is free and all can say his opinion and you are wrong if you are thinking that i don't want your because it is your opinion and i respect it.I asked for more comments about those pants and i don't jump on anyone who made one,good or bad .You showed pants and said that it was the same as mine with the same tag but sorry it was not.......don't be hangry for that.....You said, and you are not the only one, that they are not ss,i respect your opinions but some others members pm me and said they are .Yes those pants are on the estand as ss with a price and if you want more opinions about, no problems,just ask .
Have a good night.
Regards.
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Hi all.Thanks for all the members who made opinions about those pants
.At first those pants looks like ss and i've done a mystake . .I was wrong, those pants are not ss 
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You'r right NTZ .
I'm searching myself since a few days about this pants with books and i done my homework
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Those pants are period and the tag is not a fake.
They are for NSDAP MARINE SA.
Regards.
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Martin I am sorry if I came off harsh. It just looked like you were fishing until you hooked the right answer. As Erich said, he ran across a lot of period black trousers with added white stripe that were wrong. I too got caught on the added white stripe pair I shown. Fortunately my mistake cost me very little. Speaking for myself I knew they were not SS but had no idea what they were. After my mistake I found that the add the white stripe on period trouser game was much more common than I thought. I was just trying to nicely show you that what you had might not be what you think. Sorry for any hard feelings.
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Martin is right,
it's a regulary original early SA RZM tag, but with this ink stamp inside is the color dark blue or black ?
Martin,
"D" on the RZM tag is for "Dienstbekleidung" what means "service dress", my question was more for the "1" , if Mr Abenheim had explain us what means "5", the "1" could only be an other production type, and I think it could very well be a pants or uniform maker.
What we neeed, is a good pic of the inside of the pants to know how the piping is sewn in
Possible ?Last edited by strassburger; 12-23-2005, 12:11 AM.Straßburger / When in doubt do without...
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All is fine at the end .The pants looks like black color in the artificial light but with the day light they are surely blue.
Here are some pics of the inside and this the way the piping is sewn.
Many thanks.
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better pic.Comment
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Obviously period trousers, but it appears the piping has been added. They could be for the Marine SA or for other organizations--Marine SA Tuch was used by the DAF, HJ, Veteran's organization, etc. The Marine SA didn't wear white piped trousers.
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And.........what can be the value of this pants with early RZM TAG with ink stamp inside the leg's pants ?Comment
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Value??
Hi Martin,
the problem is the added white piping....
it's difficult to know when it was added?
if it was period added why ?
I've found a standart regular RZM made SA "Steg-Hose" with red piping.
I've paid around 200 € for it.Straßburger / When in doubt do without...
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Martin, I was sending you days ago an email via the forum but w/o any response from your side. The pants are wrong. I realy don´t want anyone is spending over 1k for such a thing.Comment
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[quote=martin guerre]Hi all.Thanks for all the members who made opinions about those pants .At first those pants looks like ss and i've done a mystake . .I was wrong, those pants are not ss .
You'r right NTZ .
I'm searching myself since a few days about this pants with books and i done my homework .
Those pants are period and the tag is not a fake.
They are for NSDAP MARINE SA.
Regards.
Martin.[/quote
Hi Robert,
if you sent me a message a few days ago i didn't had it sorry but if you have an opinion with those pants you can say it here with no problems,all opinions are welcome .
Now we have more reponses with it as you can see but let us know clearly what was your opinion if you want and i will read it with pleasure .
Have a good day.
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