How about some opinions about this ssSchirmutze. It is describedes as a service cap, made for resupply in the field. It made from Italian field grey gabardin, with velvet cap band.
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Looks perfect to meComment
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Hello Jacques,
I notice that there is some black marks on the underneath of the visor, are they letters?
Is there any evidence of a sweatshield having been in place at all?
Is the bottom of the cap frame under the velvet band made from garbadine as well?
Thanks
BenComment
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Ewiges Suchen...
There is a type of this cap that was tailored w/o the rhombus. Such a cap was recently sold here; v. Lukacs also had such a piece. I imagine these were chiefly for the Kleiderkasse SS or other branches of the TexLed or WVHA clothing empire. These, however, generally have a size #. In fact, the sweat shield was a recent innovation in the early 20th century; caps of the era 1900-1918 had none. I have seen several III. Reich era caps devoid of said feature. As concerns the TK cap badge in the piece above, it strikes me as being a fake. I cannot generalize about the cap before us granted the images at hand.Last edited by Donald Abenheim; 11-25-2005, 12:04 AM.Comment
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Ben, It does not seem that there ever was a sweatshield, it does however have a very feint size number, something with a six. The black mark on the visor looks like some touched it with someting black on their fingers. The gabardine is just on the bottom stitched around the exposed black part of the capband strucure, but see close up pic. On the inside of the leather lining it seems a piece of old newspaper was stuckComment
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I thought that maybe the visor had been RZM stamped because in photo 3 it looks slightly like a R and a Z. Although unusual, some grey caps definitely had this mark on the visor.
I agree with Donald concerning the skull. The pics aren't the best but it looks like it's a cast piece and maybe the eagle too.
It's a tough call on the cap, I can't see any obvious problems although newspapers stuck under the sweatband always makes me slightly nervous..Comment
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[quote=BenVK]I thought that maybe the visor had been RZM stamped because in photo 3 it looks slightly like a R and a Z. Although unusual, some grey caps definitely had this mark on the visor.
The RZM marked visor on a grey cap is incredibly rare and very early. I don't think it was being done by the time this fabric was on stream. I think Kevin Finley showed images of one on GD some time ago, also Peter Jenkins had an example about a year ago which I was lucky enough to handle. Like a fool I didn't buy it. I think that one also resides in the US now.
This cap actually seems very nice. I too would take issue with the scull but other than that it looks quite promising (from the pics provided).
Yours, Guy.Comment
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Very good point! I was thinking of the same RZM marked grey caps on the GD forum as you Guy but I hadn't considered this..Originally posted by GuyComment
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pi pa po
The other forum has a cap from the collection of a Midwestern US collector complete with the runes in the cap lining and a black tag for the Fa. Mueller/Munich circa 1937. It is a staggering piece, and it has an SA Hoheitszeichen. Colleague Coleman owns an enlisted cap with the runes in the lining, and the RZM stamp on the visor. I imagine these latter were of the era 1939/40 and few have survived. The cap at hand is more likely of the mid-war period. If this piece at hand has a size mark, then this is a welcome sign in my opinion. The other website also has photos of a Norwegian collector's caps of similar era. These caps came with a grey and normal silk colored lining, that is, the custard color visible here. The reprints of the salient documents in the Beaver volumes would indicate that the WVHA enterprises made such caps as the one at hand, but I am not utterly certain of this fact. Viel Sammlerglueck.Originally posted by BenVKComment
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IMO the insignia are bad, the piping is bad, the interior of the cap has been aged, and the chin cord is off a much later cap.Comment
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