Wss Sidecap

[Panzergrenadiere71]

Thank you guys.Ade,I know what you mean but I can't say if the "piping" is the sign of originality of WSS Sidecaps.Gary,what is also that you don't like?


Cheers
Emilio

[Gary Wood]

this

[bwanek1]

I think that Gary is pointing out that there are threadbare sections which are inconsistent with the relatively new (though original) TK which overlaps these areas.

...or perhaps he is suggesting that these are indications that this was originally the ultra-rare cap used by the SS Mickey Jugend Division:

[Felix]

[Ian Hulley]

I agree with Gary & Ade it looks like a nice,original Coastal Artillery cap recently re-badged with original SS insignia but not before a moth had it's lunch.

The false piping to the crown seams is the only difference between C.A. and SS usually

Ian.

[Panzergrenadiere71]

The false piping to the crown seams is the only difference between C.A. and SS usually

Ian,I don't think is so simple.Look at this:
http://www.germanmilitaria.com/Kriegsmarine/01KM2.html

This picture is from CtC website.Do you know what I mean?

Emilio

[Lorenz]

Hi Ade,

I'm agree with you.

By Lorenz

My concern would be in the construction of the cap. I don't see the usual seams which almost form a piping to the crown where the sides of the cap meet the top.


Cheers, Ade.

[werner]

Hi,
IMO it's a coastal artillery cap with ss insignia.

Regards
Werner

[Panzergrenadiere71]

OK,I'll try to be clear.About the cap that I've posted I had my concerns too,this is the reason I asked your opinions but generally speaking we can really say that the only difference between an original WSS sidecap from a coastal artillery is the "piping" on the crown?Or we have to consider other points like color,shape ,lining ecc.ecc.??If we look at the coastal caps of the Collector Guild and the one from CtC website we can see that there are some differences.Why can't be the same about wss caps??


Cheers
Emilio

[werner]

Hi,
On your example, there are 2 seams.
You can also see this ss example with a " banana " form. Not yours.

http://www.germanmilitaria.com/Waffe...S06054full.jpg

Regards
Werner

[Rich Moran]

Is it me, or does the totenkoph on th eside view to sit high on the caps material?

In other words, the insignia is not bedded to go with the age of the item, it looks to ride high above the caps material, and not have settled over the age these things are supposed to be.

[Adrian Stevenson]

Hi Rich, I know what you are saying about insignia and how it settles into the material of the cap over the years and in general I agree with this statement.


The only trouble is, SS insignia on these caps were stitched on in a way that gives them a "puffy" almost padded appearance, which is often still evident after 60 odd years. This is hard to describe in words and pictures on a PC but is easier to see if you hold on original in your hands.

Cheers, Ade.

[Panzergrenadiere71]

Guys,I still haven't a good reply to my questions.Is the "piping" on the crown that make the difference between a good wss sidecap and a bad one or not?If we look at the coastal artillery caps we can see that they are all similar but not identical.Color ,shape,lining are not the same.Why it's not possible for the wss sidecap??No intention to be rude,just to improve my knowledge.Thank you


Cheers
Emilio

[Adrian Stevenson]

Hi Emilio, you are not being rude at all! Asking questions and learning is why we are all here

When I give any advice on the forum I am really cautious in what I say. I would hate to influence someone to buy something bad or indeed part with something that is actually good.

SS material, as we all know, is a minefield. I would only urge anyone to buy "textbook". It can save a lot of potential problems in the future if you ever intend to part with the item. "Textbook" will always sell.

I can only speak from my own experience. I would only buy a cap with the "piping". This is the type of cap I have in my own collection.

Like Gary, I don't like the way the cap is made. I strongly suspect it is newly made from original materials. The wear to the knap of the material and the colour of the thread used in putting the cap together, to me, condem the whole thing.

I think that you really like the cap and I guess that you want to keep it? Nothing wrong in that. If you are happy with it, that is all that matters.

I wish I could add more for you?

Cheers, Ade.

[BenVK]

There always seems to be confusion when talking about the "false" piping on WSS sidecaps. If I've understood correctly, it's where the side's are stitched to the top of the cap and form a fold and this fold sits against the piping. Here's a pic.