Weitze Himmler set

[cossack1648]

I also highly doubt that he is willing to risk his reputation by knowingly offering for sale such a magnificent collection if he knew it was a copy. He would then list it as such!

Marcus

He already did. Few times he was shown to offer humped up tunics and coats described as untouched. See recent thread about SS wrapper

[HowardC]

That's an interesting set. I've had a cuff title for over 30 years that I used to hope was original since the source it came from was very solid. However this set shown here is the first time I've seen a cuff "similar" for sale. Not trying to hijack the thread so please excuse me but is it known that there may be more makers or styles of the cuff in existance??

[Robert H]

Embroidery is different.
Delich detail photos show all how it should be. Possible someone can ask him for his opinion or like Jim Toncar.
They know the stuff same like Mr.Verbruggen.

[tobau]

Price for the set is more than 100 000 EURO !

[Christian76]

Price for the set is more than 100 000 EURO !

Insane

[Silberkreuz]

Here is another 100% original that looks like the weitze one. The weitze has a correct makers number too. EB15B6D4-0C06-4F14-BA95-ECC1E9C109B9.jpeg

[Silberkreuz]

The price for the set is € 120,000.00

[JustinS]

The price for the set is € 120,000.00

Fu**ing hell!

[itchyjoe]

Weitz description in English:
Reichsführer SS: complete set of effects for the dressing gown and possession certificate for the badge of honor of the Old Guard, personally owned by Heinrich Himmler
around 1938/39. Pair of collar tabs, sleeve band and shoulder piece for the black or field gray open service skirt. The collar tabs with the special embroidery for the Reichsführer SS: 3 oak leaves each in an open laurel wreath. Hand-embroidered metal thread, on the laurel wreath additionally small sewn-on metal beads, on black velvet cloth with silver cord all around. Enclosed an RZM seal, with which the collar tabs were probably attached together. The collar tabs are unworn, complete in the original cardboard box from the supplier, with black imprint on the side "Reichsführer SS - Alu." . The shoulder pieces with the heavy 2-colored silver braid on a black cloth pad with the special metal pad for the Reichsführer SS: 3 oak leaves lying on top of each other. Sew-in design, on the underside with woven fabric label "RZM 38/36 SS". Complete with nickel-plated shoulder button, stamped "SS RZM 63" on the back. In addition, the sleeve band for SS chiefs in aluminum braid with black stripes. Full length 44 cm with stitched ends, on the left side with RZM / SS paper label. All effects never worn, in good condition. Furthermore, the certificate of ownership for the "Badge of Honor of the Old Guard", awarded by the Gauleiter des Gaues Bayerische Ostmark of the NSDAP, issued to "Himmler, Heinrich München". The certificate is dated "Bayreuth, September 10, 1933", with the original signature "Schemm" Gauleiter. Condition 2.
A historically unique ensemble of museum significance.

[HAF]

Weitz description in English:
Reichsführer SS: complete set of effects for the dressing gown and possession certificate for the badge of honor of the Old Guard, personally owned by Heinrich Himmler
around 1938/39. Pair of collar tabs, sleeve band and shoulder piece for the black or field gray open service skirt. The collar tabs with the special embroidery for the Reichsführer SS: 3 oak leaves each in an open laurel wreath. Hand-embroidered metal thread, on the laurel wreath additionally small sewn-on metal beads, on black velvet cloth with silver cord all around. Enclosed an RZM seal, with which the collar tabs were probably attached together. The collar tabs are unworn, complete in the original cardboard box from the supplier, with black imprint on the side "Reichsführer SS - Alu." . The shoulder pieces with the heavy 2-colored silver braid on a black cloth pad with the special metal pad for the Reichsführer SS: 3 oak leaves lying on top of each other. Sew-in design, on the underside with woven fabric label "RZM 38/36 SS". Complete with nickel-plated shoulder button, stamped "SS RZM 63" on the back. In addition, the sleeve band for SS chiefs in aluminum braid with black stripes. Full length 44 cm with stitched ends, on the left side with RZM / SS paper label. All effects never worn, in good condition. Furthermore, the certificate of ownership for the "Badge of Honor of the Old Guard", awarded by the Gauleiter des Gaues Bayerische Ostmark of the NSDAP, issued to "Himmler, Heinrich München". The certificate is dated "Bayreuth, September 10, 1933", with the original signature "Schemm" Gauleiter. Condition 2.
A historically unique ensemble of museum significance.

urkunde is still a joke here

[derek]

"he used several Tailors, 2 in Germany, one in Graz, Austria...and they made all different Tabs".

I have to disagree with this statement. Tailors did not make SS insignia. For example the RZM tailoring instructions for the evening dress are quite clear that the insignia had to be obtained through the RZM.

[AntiqueWW2]

"he used several Tailors, 2 in Germany, one in Graz, Austria...and they made all different Tabs".

I have to disagree with this statement. Tailors did not make SS insignia. For example the RZM tailoring instructions for the evening dress are quite clear that the insignia had to be obtained through the RZM.

Well, sorry to say, but that is far from how it was, special for Himmler. He had in Austria one Tailor in Graz who made him his Tunic, including his Effects. And i know many more who where not RZM Listed and still made Effects. What is written somewhere, that not always represent how it was in reality.

Also the Urkunde has no issue to me. Set it just fine. And Price is what it is, when you want something what is that high up....you need to pay or go to a Museum

[jimt]

I wonder why the collar tabs do not fit properly in the box ?

[clestuff]

Perhaps if they clean up that oak leaf a little with some steel wool...

[derek]

"He had in Austria one Tailor in Graz who made him his Tunic, including his Effects."

Based on what evidence? I have read thousands of documents from the RZM and Verwaltungsamtes-SS in the course of researching SS insignia and it is curious that the extremely strict protocols and rules that are contained in them go flying out the window - especially when it comes to questionable items.