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    Hello guys!

    What do you think?

    Best regards
    Marius
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      #3
      Originally posted by militaria.no
      Hello guys!

      What do you think?

      Best regards
      Marius
      In such matters as these, I consult with Robin Lumsden, Robert Hassler, Bob Coleman, and Derek Chapman. Colleague Lumsden asserted that a large cache of somewhat non-standard badges was found in Mitteleuropa and I believe he posted one. Colleague Lumsden has posted on these bagdes in detail and I do not want to repeat his wisdom here. Further, I am always grateful to learn from them and I do not want to mangle their knowledge with a half-baked re-telling here.
      Last edited by Donald Abenheim; 08-03-2005, 11:17 PM.

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        Last edited by MilitaryCollect; 08-29-2005, 08:05 AM. Reason: withdrawn

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          #5
          skull ....

          I think you'll find this is a cap badge ...... collar devices are smaller and different. David

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            #6
            That's one of the hoard found in eastern Germany recently. It's 100% original.

            It's very distinctive in style. I call it the 'haunted' TK because of the 'sad' eyes.

            Some years ago, I saw one of these in zinc so I think these particular skulls date from 1944-ish, intended for army cavalry units rather than the SS. They are always sold as SS-related, however. All those found in the German hoard are nickel, not zinc, but undoubtedly come from the same maker.

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              #7
              Skull .....

              Aren't there small cuts along the outer edge of the flat pins too ..... ? David

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                #8
                Originally posted by Stossgruppe3
                Aren't there small cuts along the outer edge of the flat pins too ..... ? David
                Yes, that's right.

                Here's a part of the hoard, after being dug up.
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                  And here's a zinc version of the same 'haunted' pattern......
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                    And here's one of the nickel ones from the hoard, after cleaning.......
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                      #11
                      This looks as if it might be one of these 'haunted' ones being worn, although the picture isn't totally clear.......
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                        #12
                        The zinc one at the top left of this picture is the 'haunted' one, in comparison to some of the various other Prussian-style TKs shown. So far, I've counted about 20 distinct variants of these skulls.
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                          #13
                          Thanks for the above. I have a picayune question. If, indeed, these badges reach back in time to the era before 1918 (und zur Zeit der sogenannten "alten Armee"), can they not have also been in Feinzink before, say, 194X? To be sure, one licks one's lips at the plated tin or Kupal or Buntmetall variety of these things, but I have the sense that some of these regalia makers used all sorts of metals for badges even in the era before-1938 as a function of cost. That is, after years of deciphering the Assmann catalog, there were all levels of regalia and various prices for the same badge. I have seen recently some SS cap insignia on an officer's cap of the era 1935 or so which seems to have been "vernicklet" pot metal, for all the world, which maybe it is also Feinzink, as well. Thanks to colleague Lumsden for a post of great merit.
                          Last edited by Donald Abenheim; 08-05-2005, 05:53 PM.

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                            Donald.

                            I think you're right. Zinc is always considered as being 1942-45, but they used it widely for pickelhaube plates etc. during WW1.

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                              Originally posted by Robin Lumsden
                              Donald.

                              I think you're right. Zinc is always considered as being 1942-45, but they used it widely for pickelhaube plates etc. during WW1.
                              Dear Colleague, many thanks. My closest collector chum has a very large collection of Wilhelmine headwear, especially wartime Pickelhauben with such zinc fittings. schoene Gruesse nach Schottland.

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