Panzer traps and eagles on estand

[fldjr]

These are posted here:

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru....php?t=1041063

Funky looking skull, and sleeve eagle feathers squared off.

Have never seen any originals like these, thoughts?

Fred

[Journeymontana]

I saw this too and I don't like them at all. Eagle is definitely fake.

[Zirnhelt]

No way those bevo can be real. Vince

[JustinS]

That is one ugly skull

[sutka]

not a fan of it

[TK GUY]

Trap is a reproduction.

Paul

[Novosibirsk]

I am touched by pseudo-experts... It 's ugly, fake, I 'm not a fan... Is that all the knowledge you have?
When you sit in court in front of a judge, you say I 'm not guilty and you 're released believing your words?..
No, because we need proof!
War, the thing is serious and requires a lot of investment! And at different periods of hostilities it (in this case, production) - different. As history shows, the further into the forest, the more firewood! Therefore and in our case, there was an early production in the factory BeVo with a high level of professionals and equipment and later production... Reduce costs, materials, etc.
Reference!
In the context of protracted military-economic confrontation, the German military economy faced a number of irreconcilable difficulties. Labour shortages were particularly tangible. Mobilization in the Wehrmacht reduced the number of people employed in the economy from 38.7 million in May 1939 to 34.5 million in May 1942.

There is a reference! And this is a man I respect!

https://www.weitze.com/militaria/16/...n__230916.html

Sorry for my english
I hope I didn 't hurt anyone!
With respect for everyone!

[MM1985]

This is an obvious reproduction and it is not the first reproduction you are trying to sell. See the high end LAH fake straps.

Stop trying to sell repros on this forum or you will get in serious trouble.

[Novosibirsk]

This is an obvious reproduction and it is not the first reproduction you are trying to sell. See the high end LAH fake straps.

Stop trying to sell repros on this forum or you will get in serious trouble.

Listen!
I 'm not the man who wants to sell the reproduction.
If it 's really fakes, it 's my mistakes and not knowledge in the past!
When I bought them from a serious diller, I believed him!

[Novosibirsk]

I post at the request of the moderator

[Ian Hulley]

There is a reference! And this is a man I respect!

https://www.weitze.com/militaria/16/...n__230916.html

That say's it all

Ian

[GAMS1]

I saw this too and I don't like them at all. Eagle is definitely fake.

The sleeve eagle is original and already had some debates on this version .
So called "french made" but no french IMO .
A large stock ( several hundreds ) of them was on the market 20 years ago from
a very good source .
Weitze bought the whole lot and offers them for sale since this time .
I had some of this lot but not so many ... i should still have 1-2 somewhere as reference .
Not the nicest looking eagle you can find but original ! And priced generally lower than "classicals" : which is the case on these !
I don't think member Novosibirsk has been doing something wrong on purpose first and second i'm not that sure the bevo Trap's are not original ?
Not really nice a bit simplified skulls may be , but it doesn't make them repro automatically !The weave technic and used material are interesting ...
Nick

[Novosibirsk]

The sleeve eagle is original and already had some debates on this version .
So called "french made" but no french IMO .
A large stock ( several hundreds ) of them was on the market 20 years ago from
a very good source .
Weitze bought the whole lot and offers them for sale since this time .
I had some of this lot but not so many ... i should still have 1-2 somewhere as reference .
Not the nicest looking eagle you can find but original ! And priced generally lower than "classicals" : which is the case on these !
I don't think member Novosibirsk has been doing something wrong on purpose first and second i'm not that sure the bevo Trap's are not original ?
Not really nice a bit simplified skulls may be , but it doesn't make them repro automatically !The weave technic and used material are interesting ...
Nick

Thanks Nick!

So I was right about the pseudo specialists!
I was confused by my statement and charge of selling reproduction...

This is an obvious reproduction and it is not the first reproduction you are trying to sell. See the high end LAH fake straps.

Stop trying to sell repros on this forum or you will get in serious trouble.

I 've never been and I hope not.

There is justice!

[Journeymontana]

I think you should be removed or at least banned temporarily from the estand. Others are right that this isn't the first time you have tried to sell repos. Do us a favor and stop selling until you have the green light from the community. I learned from this site and have used it with absolute confidence for buying and my advancement of the collecting hobby. Doing what your doing could have bad effects of this site and hurt the hobby.

[Journeymontana]

Also about the eagle. Interesting therory about the French made but I don't buy it. If you have some evidence that would be great but over the years I haven't heard of that.... There are French made SS eagles but they looked nothing like that and I think the pattern resemblance of one of the late war dauchau versions is to close to be a random French pattern produced years before. The French eagles don't even have a close version of this stitch pattern. The French eagles I know of stitch horizontally which is really unique. Plus how late in the war.... It can't be that late...