Bloodstained Gestapo Warrant Disc

[Gary Symonds]

Well, after investing nearly 30 years on the very subject of research into SiPo names to Dienstmarke/Dienstausweis numbers & locations and having only scant success, I bow to your experience.

And sorry, unless there is a list of SiPo staff with their SiPo Dienstausweis numbers alongside their names, yes it is as impossible as I think. Very happy to be proven wrong.

Once had a Gestapo disc in my collection found in the UK but with no details whatsoever of where it came from other than it fell in the range of discs associated with Denmark.

The holder was only identified many years later when correspondence from a Gestapo officer was found by a well renowned SiPo researcher which happened to contain his Dienstausweis number. A very, very rare occurrence.

Sipo, is there some sort of reference data base that you have that shows "the range of disks, associated with Denmark."? Or any other nation?

For instance, my Gestapo disk numbers are 9946, and 1148. Are these numbers associated with any particular nation during the war?

Love to know, if possible!

[SiPo]

Gary, email sent.

[101combatvet]

Hello.

The test does only say if it´s blood or not. You need more elaborate tests to determine if it´s human blood.

My friend used to work in Kripos (the Norwegian police forensic unit). If the bloodstain is not too much contaminated, it should be possible to extract DNA from it. A DNA sample could potentially determine the country of origin. The problem is that we don't have any commercial providers in Norway performing these tests. I'm hesitant to sending it abroad again.

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There was one post here earlier that is now deleted. I will address it anyway.

I’m aware bloodclaims are always controversial in this hobby, but sometimes they actually are the real thing and I have the proof to at least say it´s been on the disc for a very long time.

I have the original add where the stain is visible.
I have Don Bibles email where he comments on the stain (which we at that time thought was some sort of corrosion).
I have the written correspondence from the seller about the discs origin. It been in this one family since the war.
I have the text messages from the police officer regarding the test and the result from the test.
I have a video of the test.

That said, without a DNA test, we can of course never be sure of the origin of the bloodstain or how it ended up on the warrant disc, but I'm with Simon on this one. I think it´s more likely it came from a Gestapo-officer, than one of the owners in the Norwegian family.

I seriously doubt if there is enough blood to determine DNA.

[MrMiler]

I seriously doubt if there is enough blood to determine DNA.

Not for me too say. I’m just passing on the information from the experts in Kripos. They are the best in their field here in Norway. They often assist in so called “cold cases” because of their expertise.