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    #16
    A few comments

    To answer the question as to band color, as mentioned, these technical and artillery service branch cap were black. Badge cloth for em and NCO and velvet for officer’s. Other branch’s and even regiments color of imperial cap bands can be found in perhaps a dozen other colors or shades.

    As for the visors, I don’t see much if any difference in some of the WWI era visors with most of those found on WWII era caps. They can be of different materials and underside colors but are not necessarily.

    The main difference is the size and shape of the crown and the lining materials used in my opinion. It is also my opinion that a WWI vintage cap would never pass even in a photo for a WWII schirmutz or at best it would look like a mid 30s slightly off tellermutz. Some examples could and do attempt to pass as WWII era crusher caps as some were made similar for field or stylish wear in WWI

    Everyone can decide for themselves how many or any were updated for use in WW2. The caps would have been mostly 25 years old by then with original owners in their 40s and 50s for the most part. I believe the attrition on daily wear would have been astounding for many of these to be in any condition for another 5 years of service.
    Most folks I know today can’t keep track of a ball cap for two weeks.

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      #17
      Originally posted by phild View Post
      A few comments

      To answer the question as to band color, as mentioned, these technical and artillery service branch cap were black. Badge cloth for em and NCO and velvet for officer’s. Other branch’s and even regiments color of imperial cap bands can be found in perhaps a dozen other colors or shades.

      As for the visors, I don’t see much if any difference in some of the WWI era visors with most of those found on WWII era caps. They can be of different materials and underside colors but are not necessarily.

      The main difference is the size and shape of the crown and the lining materials used in my opinion. It is also my opinion that a WWI vintage cap would never pass even in a photo for a WWII schirmutz or at best it would look like a mid 30s slightly off tellermutz. Some examples could and do attempt to pass as WWII era crusher caps as some were made similar for field or stylish wear in WWI

      Everyone can decide for themselves how many or any were updated for use in WW2. The caps would have been mostly 25 years old by then with original owners in their 40s and 50s for the most part. I believe the attrition on daily wear would have been astounding for many of these to be in any condition for another 5 years of service.
      Most folks I know today can’t keep track of a ball cap for two weeks.

      My only comment would be that so many of these ww1 caps (when encountered -which is not that often) are in almost mint condition. The model we are talking about were very late war and I suspect many remained unissued. I think studios used them for early SS photo's and some, I would suspect officers, used these type of caps just to be different. Either way there is no way to ever know when the SS insignia reached the cap.

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        #18
        Originally posted by Ian Hulley View Post
        Again the insignia are original.

        Ian

        Originally posted by biohazard69 View Post
        fake insignia
        Originally posted by SScollector View Post
        I agree.

        Chris


        I think I see this "type" of aluminum skull m1/52 (see the flaws bone and eye)
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        and this "type" of aluminum eagle m1/72 (see the flaw of this "type" ,wing near the beak visible in front view too )
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        would be great to be able to check it with better and close up photos.

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          #19
          I believe the insignia are good as well.

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            #20
            Originally posted by phild View Post

            As for the visors, I don’t see much if any difference in some of the WWI era visors with most of those found on WWII era caps. They can be of different materials and underside colors but are not necessarily.
            The WWI visors are noticeably smaller than the WWII types. They would have to be swapped out to make a presentable WWII piece IMO.

            The limited period of time when colored piping was authorized for wear required a wide spectrum of colors, and there were definitely caps newly made to meet this need. In the case of artillery, these WWI retreads could have fit the bill.

            s/f Robert

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              #21
              Originally posted by biohazard69 View Post
              fake insignia
              Just to let people know this guy owes me money on a tunic i purchased from him!
              Never finish paying me off.. already going on more then two years.

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                #22
                Bill Shea currently has this one for sale:

                https://www.therupturedduck.com/coll...icer-visor-cap


                Alen
                Last edited by rbno; 04-12-2020, 09:05 PM.

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                  #23
                  Originally posted by rbno View Post
                  Bill Shea currently has this one for sale:

                  https://www.therupturedduck.com/coll...icer-visor-cap


                  Alen
                  Thanks for the link. It’s a nice cap and I think it is a fair buy, but technically this is an NCO grade cap not officer.

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                    #24
                    Originally posted by phild View Post
                    Thanks for the link. It’s a nice cap and I think it is a fair buy, but technically this is an NCO grade cap not officer.


                    The one for sale at the ruptured duck is earlier and not the same cut.

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                      #25
                      Originally posted by dhunter93 View Post
                      The one for sale at the ruptured duck is earlier and not the same cut.
                      ...and still has the original small bill WWI-type visor.

                      s/f Robert

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                        #26
                        Originally posted by RobertE View Post
                        ...and still has the original small bill WWI-type visor.

                        s/f Robert
                        Just as a “data point” I have measured some Wartime imperial visor cap bills or visors and they seem to the same size as third Reich era visors. The imperial visors were for sure not the same and seemed to be longer as they evolved

                        I think that the ones I checked were 4.5 cm at the widest point taken from the center TOP side where the bill met the cap body. You can
                        Compare that to a WWII era and I think it will be same.

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