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    Photos of WSS smocks fall side in wear?

    Are there any extant color photos of WSS smocks being worn with the fall side out?
    The few color photos that I have seen have all been with the summer green.
    I am sure that the fall side was less utilized, but how much less?

    CB
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    From lorenzo’s camouflage book 1
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      #3
      you don't need color picture for recognize if summer/fall, but it works only for m38/39 smocks

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        #4
        here you can see smocks, in wear autumn colors out.

        i dont know how to upload picuture on forum so here is the link

        https://imgur.com/a/739NlIX

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          Originally posted by Frostfall View Post
          here you can see smocks, in wear autumn colors out.

          i dont know how to upload picuture on forum so here is the link

          https://imgur.com/a/739NlIX
          Here are the pictures, for the WAF archive
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            #6
            Originally posted by cpbuehler View Post
            Are there any extant color photos of WSS smocks being worn with the fall side out?
            The few color photos that I have seen have all been with the summer green.
            I am sure that the fall side was less utilized, but how much less?

            CB
            As requested and taken by SS-Kriegsberichter Wilfried Woscidlo with 12th SS-Panzer Division Hitlerjugend Panzergrenadiers near Buron.

            I'm not sure what you are basing that idea on that the Autumn side was less utilized. The entire point of reversible camouflage as they intended it was to be able to switch based on environment and they appear to have done just that. In fact, erbsentarnmuster which is not reversible, is more brown in base color and was widely used on the Westfront and Ostfront.



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              #7
              Frame number 5 picture at the bottom . . . real or fake anyone ?
              The reason I ask is look closely at the runic tab if real ?
              Regards David
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                Originally posted by Stossgruppe3 View Post
                Frame number 5 picture at the bottom . . . real or fake anyone ?
                The reason I ask is look closely at the runic tab if real ?
                Regards David
                The pic looks to have been altered, but no doubt an original photo imo.

                Block cover and what looks like one of the earliest prewar rendition patterns for the smock. Stunning!

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                  #9
                  That's been manipulated.

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                    #10
                    This manipulated photo is one of the problems. I still cant understand that this photo represents the fall side out. How is this determined in a BW photo?
                    I made the assumption that the fall side was less worn as heavier winter clothing would often be expected during the periods when this shade of camouflage was desired, smocks being replaced by other forms of clothing such as over coats, parkas etc.

                    CB

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                      #11
                      look at windflaps always sewn on fall side, and same with helmet covers...

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by cpbuehler View Post
                        This manipulated photo is one of the problems. I still cant understand that this photo represents the fall side out. How is this determined in a BW photo?
                        I made the assumption that the fall side was less worn as heavier winter clothing would often be expected during the periods when this shade of camouflage was desired, smocks being replaced by other forms of clothing such as over coats, parkas etc.

                        CB
                        M38 smocks have the wind flap only on the fall side. Helmet covers have the spring sleeves 99% of the time on the fall side, especially for type 1.

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                          #13
                          A simple way to determine this which I never thought of
                          Thanks much all!

                          CB

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