SS-VT Photo With Strange Caps

[jimt]

Which type of runic collartab are the two guys on the left wearing?
I mean the runes without number.
Does anyone has such type that he can/will share?

I have never seen a original example , but can add that other PB units wore this same tab i.e. PB 1 ( later Deutschland as a example )

jimt

[krikke1980]

I have never seen a original example , but can add that other PB units wore this same tab i.e. PB 1 ( later Deutschland as a example )

jimt

Thank you Jim for your reply.
But SSVT SS1 Deutschland had nothing to do with the SSPB ss1?
SSPB were much earlier then SSVT...

Or can we conclude here that there was a PB ss, ss1, ss2 and ss3?

[Nick E]

Thank you Jim for your reply.
But SSVT SS1 Deutschland had nothing to do with the SSPB ss1?
SSPB were much earlier then SSVT...

Or can we conclude here that there was a PB ss, ss1, ss2 and ss3?

there is even a pbss4 the collar patch with the runes and a numeral '4' was worn by both the Politische Bereitschaft Nord which was established in Hamburg in 1934 and the guard unit of Esterwegen Concentration Camp during the brief period in 1934 when the various Wachverbaende were included within the Politische Bereitschaften system.
There is a,photo of a,man wearing it on war relics forum.

[krikke1980]

there is even a pbss4 the collar patch with the runes and a numeral '4' was worn by both the Politische Bereitschaft Nord which was established in Hamburg in 1934 and the guard unit of Esterwegen Concentration Camp during the brief period in 1934 when the various Wachverbaende were included within the Politische Bereitschaften system.
There is a,photo of a,man wearing it on war relics forum.

Thx Nick.
Yes indeed, I am aware of this picture.
But that is a collartab with th '4' smaller then the runes.
Not bigger then the runes like the ss1, ss2 and ss3.

There's also a picture from Max Simon in Mark C. Yerger's book Totenkopf part I where he is wearing an SS3 tab with small cypher. He also wears a Sachsen cufftitle. This was before he started to wear the TK tab.

[rbno]

In addition to the incredibly rare overseas caps, there are also some incredibly rare insignia in that picture!

I think all of the tabs have the very early white piping, and that is very rare of and by itself.

The SS3 tabs with the large 3 are almost never seen. There is also at least one of the very early small runic tabs being worn. (I thought the small runes were only worn by the LAH. Could he be a recent transfer into the Politische Bereitschaft?)

I wish I could tell what the sturmmann in the lower left has on his tab.

Alen

[krikke1980]

In addition to the incredibly rare overseas caps, there are also some incredibly rare insignia in that picture!

I think all of the tabs have the very early white piping, and that is very rare of and by itself.

The SS3 tabs with the large 3 are almost never seen. There is also at least one of the very early small runic tabs being worn. (I thought the small runes were only worn by the LAH. Could he be a recent transfer into the Politische Bereitschaft?)

I wish I could tell what the sturmmann in the lower left has on his tab.

Alen

Alen, imo these SS tabs are another design then the small SS runes that were used by LSSAH. The lower left gay and lower right guy are both wearing SS tab without numbers. I guess they weren't transferred...

[derek]

In early 1934 the SS rune collar patch was not exclusive to the Adolf Hitler Standarte/Leibstandarte. Prior to the introduction of the runes with numbers, PBS Munich, Wurttemburg and Sachsen all wore the first pattern small runes.

[derek]

Here to illustrate jimt's point about the wearing the runes by the PBS units is an interesting picture of men from the Spielmannszug of SS'1'.
Taken in 1934 it shows the field caps that many of these units wore way before the hat was restricted to N.C.O.s. It also provides a good view of the early field blouse.