Are these period KM optics?

[Marcel Banziger]

I don't know exactly what this optic is used for and I couldn't find anything similar. So I would like to know is this some period KM optic and what exactly is it used for? It is not marked with an eagle and the M and there isn't a maker either. Should all period KM optics have been marked with the eagle and the M or did it just random happen?

This optic is not mine to make things clear!

Thanks for any help and comments!

Best regards,
Marcel

[Mikedenmark]

The design suggests a cannon sight, but is otherwise unknown to me.

What I wonder about is:

Dunkel Klar Hell.

To me Klar and Hell is the same. Apparently they are not.

German navy optics do not HAVE to have an eagle.
Test specimens and equipment in workshops may be without.

I just had a brainstorm...look here

http://www.deutschesatlantikwallarch...nik/053754.jpg

It could be an accessory for the Kinotheodolit shown in this link. The two optics on either side looks kind of familiar. :-)

A link for the page where it is shown:
http://www.google.com/imgres?q=kinot...73&tx=99&ty=85

By the way. if anyone are into cartoons, they may enjoy reading Tintin on the moon part 2. The instruments employed in that cartoon are strikingly looking like this Theodolite, and to be sure, it is mentioned, that the instrument delivery for the Tintin rockets comes from Ascania Werke. Hergé was one of us, he surely knew about these technical marvels.

[Dzuo]

It is French optics from the top 'arrow' on my experience, WWI or earlier...

dunkel, klar, hell means switch to clear, bright, dark


Hope it is help for your reference.

[mlespaul]

Mike is correct. this is one of a set of two director telescopes for one of the earlier model Kinotheodolites. These larger optical systems tracked photographed and measured ballistic paths and velocities of missiles (V1/V2) after they were launched to make adjustments and necessary changes to the launch angles for the next firing. This is one of the two side-mounted directing telescopes, functioning much like the director telescopes seen on the large Kdo and EM 4 m R 36 (H) and 40s.

[Marcel Banziger]

Thanks a lot gentlemen!!! I would've never found out on my own. I was searching in the direction of cannon sights.
As a former surveyor I've been working a lot with theodolites but the Kinotheodolite doesn't look anything similar to a 'regular' theodolite. Therefor this makes it very interesting to me

[mlespaul]

Thanks a lot gentlemen!!! I would've never found out on my own. I was searching in the direction of cannon sights.
As a former surveyor I've been working a lot with theodolites but the Kinotheodolite doesn't look anything similar to a 'regular' theodolite. Therefor this makes it very interesting to me

That is due to the fact that the Kino is directed upward and measures the velocity and angle of an object in flight, and records it in photographic frames during the flight path.
More advanced versions (but still very similar) of kinotheodolit made by Askania-Werke were still later used after the war during the 50s and 60s and were used to track many projects launched during the Space Programs. Some say they were used to look for UFOs

[Mikedenmark]

If you look for footage when the NASA Stardust probe re-entered earth atsmosphere in 2005 and was expected to land by parachute, you will see small radar controlled Kinotheodolites as well.

The optical sights has been replaced by a doppler radar and stepper motors.

Personally, I would prefer a WWII vintage Kinotheodolite, but they are rare and well, space are scarce as well.