Civil leather jacket for pilot

[jlga]

Hi guys, would like to show you my jacket, it was picked up at Carpiquet airfield, next to the city of Caen in France, where fighters squadrons where stationed, have tried to get good pictures out of it, but these are as good as they get, the jacket s smell is antique, that unfortunately you have to trust me

[jlga]

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[jlga]

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[Gene]

Why do the fakers always put Major's boards on these?

[jlga]

I completely disagree with you, you are the only person, out of many we’ll respected collectors in the community who do not like it and it s the second time you do that, just say fake, but no argument or proof to properly and professionally explain that, sorry to say, but to me your opinion do not count, I can tell you, even if you do not like it that it s 100% original period jacket since it was found on Carpiquet airfield, France, it s not text book, that is why I entitled the thread civil leather jacket.

Why do the fakers always put Major's boards on these?

[frank savage]

Hi there!

I agree with Gene instead. I think too that the jacket was made in post war period. Even civil, the model of the jackets used by the pilot for their flight duty are most of them known and are made with different kind of leather, shape, design, lining and so on. Most are known with the name "bikers" and was "liberated" by the germans after they conquer french territory. This jacket mount frech hardware with the zipp most of the time marked "Eclaire". They came generally in two model, distinguished by the diffrent shape of the collar. Then there's a bunch of other jacket, made by the german, with the german harware, different by your for lots of feature.

The story about the jacket was found in the Carpiquet airfield, worth only for who wants to believe it and for whom has indeed found the stuff. Have you found it personally? An object is good whatever will be the story that goes with it. More, why a flight jacket must be founded in an old airfield? Could not have been find, more probably, into the house in which lived the pilot who wore it?

More, the best proof is found the same jacket on a period pic. I think that will be hard found one like this...
Unfortunately is too easy find an -looks like - wartime jacket and dressed like a fighter pilot clothing, put on an eagle and a pilot badge.

And, about the Gene's last post, I would say +1

Best,

[jlga]

Clearly the non textbook items are considered either fake or postwar as far as I can see, I thank you for your comment which although I do not share I respect, since you have given an argument about it

Why do the fakers always put Major's boards on these?

Hi there!

I agree with Gene instead. I think too that the jacket was made in post war period. Even civil, the model of the jackets used by the pilot for their flight duty are most of them known and are made with different kind of leather, shape, design, lining and so on. Most are known with the name "bikers" and was "liberated" by the germans after they conquer french territory. This jacket mount frech hardware with the zipp most of the time marked "Eclaire". They came generally in two model, distinguished by the diffrent shape of the collar. Then there's a bunch of other jacket, made by the german, with the german harware, different by your for lots of feature.

The story about the jacket was found in the Carpiquet airfield, worth only for who wants to believe it and for whom has indeed found the stuff. Have you found it personally? An object is good whatever will be the story that goes with it. More, why a flight jacket must be founded in an old airfield? Could not have been find, more probably, into the house in which lived the pilot who wore it?

Unfortunately is too easy find an -looks like - wartime jacket and dressed like a fighter pilot clothing, put on an eagle and a pilot badge.

Thank, about the last post, I would say +1

Best,

[frank savage]

Hi,

There's no write that the not textbook jacket are fake!

About textbook you think about issue jacket or either the civilian one?

Sum up: the model of the civilian made jacket used by pilot are known (and showed by the period pics). This jacket is not among them. And will be difficult find a WWII photo with that...

Best,

[jlga]

That is exactly my point and I appreciate what you are saying, the fact that this jacket is not found on period pictures does not necessarily prove in my opinion that not only this item but another one is fake, I know that in our hobby we need real evidence to properly assess and evaluate artefacts, and I know that you buy the item and not the story but there is also the element of interpretation and having faith on an item, and that is the case, a shame that you can only see pictures and not see it in person

Sum up: the model of the civilian made jacket used by pilot are known (and showed by the period pics). This jacket is not among them. And will be difficult find a WWII photo with that...

Best,[/QUOTE]

[jacquesf]

Your picture presentation and pics are really bad. Based on what I can make out it is not a jacket I would see as ww2 origin, based on the style cut, leather, wear etc. J

[Sergey65]

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Hi Juan,

tell me please, you personally found this jacket at the airfield in France?
I do not know how others, but I'm curious to know the details of this find.
If it's certainly not a secret

Best regards,
Sergey

[NickG]

Impossible to judge but I can see a pilot buying something like this from a store in Paris as a personal preference leather jacket.
However fleece lined ones were issued for free as LW standard flight equipment...(and Channel jackets) so at a zero expense...
Makes you wonder about the necessity to privately procure one...?? Being vain???
Who really knows? All other non fleece leather jackets were private purchase,
so many models (French and German) exist which makes this topic so tricky.
It does look cool!

[RamJet]

Every jacket with open pockets is highly suspectable for me as no air crew member - pilot or other, today and back then - would use it in an aircraft. The danger of things falling out of the pocket and doing harm by blocking some part of the controls is much too high.

Sorry, being a German military aircrew member myself, I can't buy the story.

[jlga]

Thanks guys, truly appreciate all your comments, in particular Nick s who seems to be the only one who puts faith in my jacket , kidding aside, I on the other hand agree that in our hobby is better to buy the safe way, that is what is mostly agreed by all of us, the community and that is the way I always buy my items, next time I buy a jacket, it will need a 100% . I will leave this jacket as a question mark based on your opinions, but to be fair, on the other hand I know that this jacket truly was found next to the city of Caen, not in the airfield it self, just to be clear about it, and to answer Sergey, No, I did not pick it up myself but bought from a collector in Normandy who I know and has an impressive collection from another world. I know that with items like these one it s impossible to be certain but I will keep faith and above that as Nick said the jacket looks cool

[Harry]

postwar riri zipper........