Leather Greatcoat Opinion

[NCO]

Hi Gentlemen,
Just need your thoughts on this Leather Greatcoat which looks close to being a LW Officers but then again a war time or post war civilian great coat.
The zipper behind the lapel is a Ries maker and the button on the sleeve is timber.
Sorry , it's all the photos I have at this stage so best guess and gut feeling will help.
Many thanks in advance,
Cheers
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[JasonA]

It does not have the standard military features you'd look for in period-worn officer/general leather coats. Without any of these, it's anybody's guess, and most likely just a civilian leather trench coat. Time period could be within a few decades.

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[Kriegrelic]

I agree with JasonA.

[phild]

I agree fully with the both of the responses above.

I will add that in considering a military leather greatcoat start by looking for the same characteristics as you would expect on cloth example. That is: 2 rows of 6 each buttons space the same as on the cloth coat, flapped hip side pockets with tapered fronts, turn back cuffs and half belt in the rear.

That said, some slight details can vary....mostly in the exact details of the belt and the cuffs (rarely) can be front side only and false. The bigger point is that the coat will have the military button and pocket arrangement.

[Ir 143]

Greatcoat.

I have heard that two belt buckle models are post war (Bundeswher etc).

[stonemint]

I agree, it is a postwar civilian coat, commonly sold on Ebay as TR.

Read this thread--it is a good overview of what to look for with regard to period LW/WH examples:

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...ht=ledermantel

[NCO]

Hi Guy,
Thanks to all replies, I did have some hunch it could be a civiillian post war as I noted in the begining.
Whilst I do understand that this is not a military regulation leather greatcoat and most typical of the post war style types you do see on ebay,, it does have some interesting features upon further observation that are questionable.

I managed to find a picture of Luftwaffe Werner Molders fighter ace wearing a similar leather coat.
Although there is some differences, clear positive features is the zipper under the lapel , the single button hole on the right lapel and the double buckle on the waist belt including the pointed scollop stitched on the breast but only to the right side.

Perhaps these features did vary from private purchase makers.
I guess this man could wear anything and get away with it because of his credentials, although his coat is just slightly different, its extremely close to the example in question.
I am not saying that this is a war time coat , however its bloody close to one being a possibility perhaps.
Nevertheless, it may do ok with on display for now.
cheers
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[Silesien]

That coat has nothing to do with the 3dReich & nothing to do with anything military. It is definitely a postwar German civilian's coat; many of these, EXACTLY like it in all details, including the adjusting sliding-buckle feature, were brought into the US in 1974 ( used not new ) by a dealer, John C. McPherson of Houston, Texas, I still have his sales listing, they were available in black, dark green, & dark brown, @ $55 to $70 depending on condition. They came in vatious sizes.

[NCO]

That coat has nothing to do with the 3dReich & nothing to do with anything military. It is definitely a postwar German civilian's coat; many of these, EXACTLY like it in all details, including the adjusting sliding-buckle feature, were brought into the US in 1974 ( used not new ) by a dealer, John C. McPherson of Houston, Texas, I still have his sales listing, they were available in black, dark green, & dark brown, @ $55 to $70 depending on condition. They came in vatious sizes.

Silesien, are you able to please post this sales list you have, I am seriously interested to see it.
Again, I must say and agree that its a civilian coat and not military, its only when I found this pic of Molders wearing something very similar that got me curious.
Has any one have any other reference on this exact coat, lets see Silesien's handy sales list that shows it in great detail.
cheers
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[Silesien]

I am not permitted to post pictures as I am not an Association Member, however if you send me a private mssg & send me your email, then I can send you the picture(s), & you can post it yourself.

[NCO]

I am not permitted to post pictures as I am not an Association Member, however if you send me a private mssg & send me your email, then I can send you the picture(s), & you can post it yourself.

I thank Silesien for this information, and posting on his behalf , who is not an associated member explaining why this Greatcoat is post war civilian style.

Unfortunately the listed descriptions in the image are vague and don't really describe in detail what I am questioning or asking for that relates to the coat in question, secondly I was expecting to see images that would prove the point that they are post war civilian.
Does any one have an image handy of this particular style of Leather Greatcoat being worn post war and by a civilian or being sold post war in some catalogue? This could help clear things up a little.

cheers
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