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**Paul Woodbyrne** · 10-22-2014, 04:39 PM

Hi Lukas your best hope is bring it to a parachute club sky diving club They will pack it for you. They have the proper tools ect to pack it. I have tried myself its near impossible . Good luck Paul.

**Tevion** · 10-22-2014, 04:55 PM

Hi Paul,

Thanks!
After about 20 tries I wrote to a shop in the near.
They pack the sport parachutes.
I hope they can help me...

You are right, also for me it's impossible... Even with two persons...

Best regards,
Lukas

**frank savage** · 10-22-2014, 05:07 PM

Hi!

Paul is right!

I have try several time to pack a parachute, but, as stated, without the propers tools is impossible! With a german backchute I have own several time ago, I do the same!

For pack a rig like that you have to know the right sequence, fold the lines, the silk too and then 'approach' every side of the pack each others and keep tightened with its lock. Without the help of its tools and a sky diving club is really impossible!

Best,

**RamJet** · 10-22-2014, 05:18 PM

Bring it to the next available paratrooper unit or air force wing. Both have personnel specially trained and well equipped for packing military chutes.

**Willi Z.** · 10-22-2014, 05:42 PM

Originally posted by RamJet View Post

Bring it to the next available paratrooper unit or air force wing. Both have personnel specially trained and well equipped for packing military chutes.

I agree. Take it to a rigger in a military unit.

**Tevion** · 10-22-2014, 06:17 PM

Thank you for the replies!
So I am not the only one with the problem.

I hope the shop will pack it for cheap.

**airborne_steve** · 10-22-2014, 07:50 PM

Is your chute a RZ1, RZ16 or RZ20 and does it have all the components, i.e. pack-tray, deployment bag, harness and all the hooks, loops and suspension lines? As a former Army Parachute Rigger I will give you a word of caution, if you don't have the proper equipment or knowledge them take it to a parachute club in your area so it can be packed right.

However, if you want to do it yourself, You first need to make sure the chute is clean, dry and without tangles or damage. What ever you do, don't pack a tangled or damp chute. Next you will have to stretch and fold all the canopy Gores individually, left and right halves, center rolled, ensuring a good air channel is established. For this, you will need a ~75 foot pack table, tensioner and suspension line separator/comb. Next attach the static line and D-Bag with the proper type I cotton (V) tape looped (twice) and tied between the buffer loop and the chute apex bridal loop. Now pack (stuff) the chute properly overlapping into the D-Bag (remember the air channel). Next, D-Bag secured to the pack-tray using, again, the proper weighted cotton tape to hold it together. Suspension lines and static lines need to be properly configured (zig-zag pattern) and placed in the retaining loops using a special hook tool. Once it is all together, hook the pack tray to the upper shoulder harness D rings and the two riser lines to the harness, waist belt D rings (RZ16). Unlike a US Army MC1-1C chute, the problem with the German parachutes such as the RZ16, RZ20, and 36 chutes, they typically need two men to pack.

Steve

**siton12** · 10-22-2014, 08:29 PM

Originally posted by airborne_steve View Post

Is your chute a RZ1, RZ16 or RZ20 and does it have all the components, i.e. pack-tray, deployment bag, harness and all the hooks, loops and suspension lines? As a former Army Parachute Rigger I would caution, if you don't have the proper equipment or knowledge them take it to a parachute club in your area so it can be done right.

However, if you want to do it yourself, You first need to make sure the chute is clean, dry and without tangles or damage. What ever you do, don't pack a tangled or damp chute. Next you will have to stretch and fold all the canopy Gores individually, left and right halves ensuring a good air channel is established. For this, you will need a ~75 foot pack table, tensioner and suspension line separator/comb. Next attach the D-Bag with the proper type I cotton tape looped (twice) and tied between the buffer loop and the chute apex bridal loop. Now pack (stuff) the chute properly into the D-Bag (remember the air channel). Next, D-Bag secured to the pack-tray using, again, the proper weighted cotton tape to hold it together. Suspension lines and static lines need to be properly configured (zig-zag pattern) and placed in the retaining loops using a special hook tool. once it is all together, hook the two riser lines to the harness (RZ16). Unlike a US Army MC1-1C chute, the problem with the German parachutes like the RZ16, RZ20, and 36 chutes, they typically need two men to pack.

Steve

Steve,thank you for bring back memories of my Para time!In 1983 84 I had my drops with us made MC1-1B (with guiding slots) and with T-10 and T-10R.The latter being for sea drops if I remember correctly.T-10 was in most cases the second or emergency chute,which as I recall required a minimum of 150 metters height to deploy in case of "entanglement".I am perhaps not using the right terms.
take care
Notis

**airborne_steve** · 10-22-2014, 08:45 PM

Originally posted by siton12 View Post

Steve,thank you for bring back memories of my Para time!In 1983 84 I had my drops with us made MC1-1B (with guiding slots) and with T-10 and T-10R.The latter being for sea drops if I remember correctly.T-10 was in most cases the second or emergency chute,which as I recall required a minimum of 150 metters height to deploy in case of "entanglement".I am perhaps not using the right terms.
take care
Notis

Hi siton, you are correct...the T10 is used as the reserve chute now called the MERP. It has been a few years since the last time I packed a chute, but when you have done a few (hundred), it is like riding a bike...it is all in the wrists. There were several varieties of T10 and MC1 parachutes..the differences were the fabric and air permeability of the chutes themselves. 150 meters is about right, though I have seen guys drop out of helicopters at 100 meters or so....too close for me. Cheers, Steve

**Tevion** · 10-23-2014, 05:52 AM

Thanks for explanation!

But this should do professional personnel.

And it's not a RZ type (Fallschirmjäger).
It's a 30 II S 24 B for flying personnel.

Best regards,
Lukas

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