upgrade fliegerblouse.

[dornier]

Hi ,I have found this photo,I would like to know what do you think,

since this official has not aluminium cord around the neck ,I think this fliegerblouse is an EM,NCO and must to be breast eagle of cotton.

¿what do you think?



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[Towarish]

That's Hauptmann Hans Philipp.

[dornier]

That's Hauptmann Hans Philipp.

Thanks Towarish,I know that is Hans Philip,my question is that his fliegerblouse must to have cotton eagle,because I think its a EM,NCO,fliegerblouse because it has not aluminium cord around the nek.

[dornier]

I have found another photo,this man not only has not aluminium cord around the neck,he has not breast eagle,this is a fliegerblouse first model,EM,NCO,and he has put official shoulder and collar.



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[JasonA]

Hi dornier,

In your first photo, it certainly appears to be of heartier, rougher wool. You are probably right in that he used (or bought) an enlisted quality uniform and upgraded it with officer's insignia. The eagle may or may not be cloth - he could have easily added a bullion eagle, there's no way to know without another photo of the same piece.

J-

[dornier]

Hi dornier,

In your first photo, it certainly appears to be of heartier, rougher wool. You are probably right in that he used (or bought) an enlisted quality uniform and upgraded it with officer's insignia. The eagle may or may not be cloth - he could have easily added a bullion eagle, there's no way to know without another photo of the same piece.

J-

Hi Jason,nice to talk again with you, if you see the second photo ,he has not breast eagle in his FB and it has EM pockets,,I supose it is the same FB,because it has not aluminium cord either in the neck.

the question I am looking for is,¿do exist some officer fliegerblouse with

cotton egale?

[JasonA]

Hi Jason,nice to talk again with you, if you see the second photo ,he has not breast eagle in his FB and it has EM pockets,,I supose it is the same FB,because it has not aluminium cord either in the neck.

the question I am looking for is,¿do exist some officer fliegerblouse with

cotton egale?

I understand. I had interpreted your second posting as a different man, but it appears to be the same man. I initially thought it was a different tunic, because the shoulder boards look like they overlap the sleeve seem in the second photo but not the first. But if it's the same man taken at the same time, it's likely an illusion I'm seeing, and the same tunic.

To answer your questions, some officer tunics do exist with OR/NCO eagles, but they will not be tailor made examples for the most part. Probably OR/NCO upgrades and likely for field use. Shiny bullion would not be ideal.

J-

[dornier]

Jason Is the same person ,and I think is the same FB,I see so much casuality

he had two FB without aluminium cord in the neck,but can be posible if he liked.

I wanted to know if it is posible one official FB with cotton eagle,thanks for your answer.

[JasonA]

Unofficial, as it was against regulations. but as you can see it did occur.

J-

[Adam S.]

I'm surprised as a Hauptmann he is wearing an enlisted grade FB. You see a lot of lower officer rank versions but less higher. I guess a lot of pilots had their lucky pieces.

[Francisco V.]

Also the boards are of the slip-on type tipically found on enlisted fliegerblouses. Certainly this KC holder with oakleaves and swords is a modest guy...

Regards

[Jos L C]

I'm surprised as a Hauptmann he is wearing an enlisted grade FB. You see a lot of lower officer rank versions but less higher. I guess a lot of pilots had their lucky pieces.

Another thing quite often seen are officers with EM/NCO mountain caps, not only one, but quite a lot .., all these variations seem to be more of a problem to us today than it was to them those days .., even big name officers proudly wore their lower rank goodies .., some added a twisted cord, some did not, some were never seen with the official officer cap.
The more pics, the more surprises, surprises to us, because many times our expectations are a bit too much textbook.
When it comes to flight, fasten your seat belts, these guys were moving fast and didn't care too much, if stuff wasn't available, they just did their thing, even against any rule.
That's what makes flight stuff rather interesting, the combination of items.
Flight branch has learned not come up with too many statements, cause many times pics show the opposite.

To answer the question, yes, I think there're EM/ NCO converted jackets with cotton eagle and off. tabs and boards, loads of up-grades in that branch.

Jos.

[besslein]

I'm surprised as a Hauptmann he is wearing an enlisted grade FB. You see a lot of lower officer rank versions but less higher. I guess a lot of pilots had their lucky pieces.

well i have seen one time SS general photo in simply EM m40 tunic.

[Adam S.]

I'll bet these EM grade tunics are warmer too.

[Jos L C]

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